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Featured: Adam Sandler, Jay Leno, Joe Coy, Jim Gaffigan, Nikki Glaser, Seth Myers, Kevin Hart, John Mulaney

What’s in This Episode

• Comedy Survivor Week 2 elimination results
• Adam Sandler voted off in Week 2 upset
• Voting analysis showing aggressive strategy by Facebook group
• Joe Coy identified as in danger for Week 3
• Safe comedians with zero votes identified
• Week 3 voting opens for Comedy Survivor

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media, Media outbit Outlaugh Outlast. This is Comedy Survivor and I’m Johnny Mac. Welcome to the Comedy Survivor Elimination Show. We are wrapping up week two to find out which comedian will be voted off the island. Our maining contestants are Adam Sandler, Jay Leno, Joe Coy, Jim Gaffigan, Nikki Glaser, Seth Myers, Kevin Hart, John Mulaney, Otsko at Katska, Sebastian Maniscalco, Tig Nataro, Sarah Silverman, Leslie Jones, Ron White, and Bert Krascher.

The listeners went to the Daily Comedy News podcast group on Facebook and let us know who they would like vot it out. It’s time to tell you the votes. Andrea votes for Bert Krascher. Cheryl votes for Burt Krescher. That’s two votes for Bert Krascher.

Mary votes for Adam Sandler, Andy votes for Leslie Jones, Mike votes for Seth Myers, Dylan votes for Adam Sandler. That’s two votes for Adam Sandler, two for Burt Krascher. Matt votes for Adam Sandler, three votes for Adam Sandler, two for Burt Krascher. Michelle votes for Joe Coy, Aaron votes for Joe Coy, three votes Adam Sandler, two votes for Joe Coy, two for Burt Kraser, Barb votes for Jay Leno, Mike votes for Adam Sandler. That’s four votes for Adam Sandler.

The Vaughan votes for otsco at Cotska, Dan votes for Joe Coy, four votes for Adam Sandler, three for Joe Coy, and our final vote from Lee Lee votes for Tig Nataro Adam Sandler. The Facebook group has spoken, We’ll take the break, we’ll come back, We’ll do some analysis with the AI. Well, a sad result for the great dramatic actor Adam Sandler. At least now he can get back to making good movies and he won’t have to worry about Comedy Survivor, and maybe he can win Dramatic Actor Survivor. The AI has analyzed the votes, and the AI tells me this group is not afraid to take out giants.

Adam Sandler going out in week two is huge. The group is playing aggressively, they are not sentimental, and they’re willing to burn legends early. The AI points out momentum matters more than logic. Last week, Sandler had three votes. This week it became four.

Once your name appears, it sticks, which means Joe Coy is now officially in danger. A course to be voted out next week is Jay Leno. The AI thinks the following comedians look safe for now. The safe group is Jim Gaffigan, John Mulaney, Nikki Glaser, Sarah Silverman, and Ron White. They have had no votes whatsoever.

Voting is now open for week three. Your remaining survivors are Jay Leno, Joe Coy, Jim Gaffigan, Nikki Glaser, Seth Myers, Kevin Hart, John Mulaney, otsco, At Kotzka, Sebastian Manaskalgo, Tig Nataro, Sarah Silverman, Leslie Jones, Ron White, and Bert Krascher. Here’s how you vote. You go to the Daily Comedy News podcast group on Facebook. You’re going to find a cartoon image of me and Adam Sandler in that thread.

Write down a name. Make it clear, don’t make me think if you’re voting or not, Just write the name. If you’re voting off, say Joe Schmoe, Just write Joe Schmoe. Now remember you can vote one person per week. Campaigning is allowed.

Alliances are allowed. I think alliances are fun. If some of you want to team up, that’s great. If you want to explain your vote, great, If you don’t, that’s great. Chaos encouraged.

Voting is open now until end of day Thursday. Then I can record these things on Friday and put them out Mondays at noon. Adam Sandler, the Facebook group has spoken back in the morning with a normal episode. This is fun.

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Featured: Steve Allen, Arsenio Hall, Craig Ferguson, Jay Leno, John Stewart, Stephen Colbert, Conan O’Brien, Jimmy Fallon, David Letterman, John Oliver, Demis Miller, Norm McDonald, Madeline Smithberg, Colbert, Alex Bennett, Bill Simmons

What’s in This Episode

• Top 10 Greatest Late Night Hosts countdown Part 2
• John Stewart ranked number six on all-time late night hosts list
• Stephen Colbert’s absence from top 10 list despite Late Show tenure
• Definition and categorization of podcasts versus live streaming
• John Stewart’s cultural impact and king maker status
• Late night show format evolution from Steve Allen template

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media. Hi there, I’m Johnny back and if you listen to yesterday’s episode was a crossover episode with The Letterman Podcast. Mike Chisholm, who hosts The Letterman Podcast, made a list of the top ten late night hosts of all time, and we made it all the way through number seven. We got a little chatty in case you missed it, Number ten with Steve Allen, nine, Orsennil Hall eight, Craig ferguson number seven, the Worst Guy who Ever lived, Jay Leno, and we did twenty minutes on Jay Leno at the end of yesterday’s episode, which made the episode kind along, so I had to split it in two. So if you missed it, go back and listen to yesterday.

And here is the rest of the list. I’m glad we spend as much time on Jay as we as we did. We’re gonna move to number six now, and this is the first one where it comes with somebody sort of attached to it. There’s two of them here or three of them here maybe that have somebody attached to them. Number six is John Stewart.

I’m gonna just say this flat out. In the last five Stephen Colbert is not one of them. But with well, okay, so right there, that’s the result. But but but we’re sint Colbert off the air? What is wrong with you?

Mike there? Taking him off and right and a lot of show and he kept the late show franchise going and and whoa not on the list? Very see this is exactly why I don’t want to see your list. Great example. You should teach that to the what do you what do you teach?

By the way, In the fall, I teach introduction, Well, it was introduction of radio, and I went to the university. I’m like, you got me teaching introduction of horse and buggy. We got to rebrand this. Uh so now it’s radio podcast of streaming good And I teach a management course of that in the spring.

And then at the other university, I teach podcasting production, which isn’t …

I’ll do a lot of weeks about out. Here’s how we approach the content, here’s what we’re trying to do, here’s why we do these things, and how you approach the creative before we even try and hit record. Oh that’s great, you know it talks about the Testament to communication. It was intro to radio, and then it became intro to what’s the name of it now? I think it’s right now.

I think it’s radio, streaming and media, sorry, and podcasting, which it’s unofficially been for about five years. Don’t tell anybody. I’m like, you know, if you want me to teach you about how an AM transmitter works, I can. I don’t know what you’re gonna do with the information. I know how to edit with a razor blade.

I’ve done it. I was pretty good at it. But let me show you pro tools. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Well, just the name of the course though, you’re gonna get a lineup versus crickets on the other side like calling it streaming podcasting it like, that’s yeah, it’s a no brainer.

Alex Bennett and I talk about this all the time. I use the word broadcasting all the time, and it drives Alex up the wall because he’s just left broadcasting is this and it’s this? Is it? Just you know, has the line of what broadcast? This is not broadcasting, streaming is not broadcasting.

I’m like, yeah, but it’s the it’s the I I appreciate that. I appreciate that broadcasting does have, you know, some finite rules, you know, But at the end of the day, what are we doing here? I mean, it’s all it is all broadcasting for that, That’s what it’s for, right. It’s not the it’s not the tools that make it happen. It’s the fact that it’s happening at all.

That’s why we’re doing it right. Well, the podcasting industry right now, what is a podcast? Like, is this a podcast? Well, there’s cameras on so yes and no, and the video version might be. The audio version definitely is.

And if I put Bill Simmons on Netflix, is that a podcast? TikTok started live streaming things and using the word podcast. Now I’ll Alex Bennett that and be like, hey, live stream on TikTok is not a podcast. I’m sorry, yep. But then I’ll also come back to it and say it doesn’t matter whatever the audience thinks.

As a podcast, that’s what a podcast is. So if you call this thing the Letterman podcast and Sunset the audio version and Netflix, there’s your money and it’s there and people stare at this conversation, that’s a podcast because. You said it where you go, that’s you said what sense orright?

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And also at that point you’ll have to come up with a different name, because …

Or so you got a Netflix deal, so you you’ll have to call it like d Lman. Pod Fantasies like that are really funny. Yeah, John Stewart is number six, So John Stewart, And to me, John Stewart gets the nod and and he comes with him a contingent of people. Cool Bear is one of them. But to me, there’s a guy who you talk about, a guy who changed Late Night and really at the end of the day, I mean, so many people would watch Saturday Night Live back in the day for Demis Miller or for Norm McDonald or for what we came up to.

It has always been such a powerful you know, not necessarily the news, all of these different well, the idea that Madeline Smithberg those people could come up and and and and put the the rocket onto John Stewart and created a version of the Daily Show that would become iconic. And and and not only that he is a king, but he’s also a king maker in Colbert and and other people of course, John Oliver, and and and and and the idea that John Stuart you know, he I don’t, I don’t. I think he’s getting the reverence that he deserves. The comeback this year has really shown that he does have a reverence out there, and he is one of those guys he’s kind of transcending. Conan’s transcending as well.

You’re seeing it start to happen with Jimmy where they were were where where they become more than just a late night talk show host, but that becomes something else. Dave of course did it years ago. John Stewart’s at that place right now. Colbert is gonna be at that place after he retires, and probably if we did this list next year as a result of when he does retire and all the the the the the Gaga and the Bally Whu that’s gonna surround that. But right now he’s gonna John’s it’s going to be the guy at number six on the top ten late night hosts of all time.

John Stewart, New York guy. You’re a New York guy. You cross paths with him very often in your career. No, I’ve never run into John either. So I’m struggling with this one, much like what is a podcast?

When you say to me late night, my brain goes to the Steve Allen template. There there’s a desk in a city scape behind it. It kind of looks like you were set up there, and we do a monologue and some guests come out and we go home, and John Stewart’s not doing that. Is he in the hall of fame of whatever hall of fame we’re making? Absolutely?

Is he a king maker? Absolutely? Is he hilarious? Absolutely? Is he influential on culture?

Absolutely? What else can I say about him? Is awesome? Does he walk the talk? Yeah, you know the stuff he’s done for veterans.

Wow, what an awesome dude. And yes, yes, yes, yes yes. But in my small brain he’s in a different filing cabinet than Jay Leno and Steve Allen that he’s doing something else. He’s over here with John Oliver. And you mentioned not necessarily the News, which is not a late night show, But why is the Daily Show a late night show?

And not necessarily News isn’t And I don’t know, and I don’t care, So I’m not gonna like throw tomatoes at my screen and be like, this list is outrageous. I just you know, let’s make some other list and put him at number one. He’s awesome. I just feel like it’s for me something in a different category. Yeah.

Well, okay, so I used to feel the same way that you did. So this is just a testament to way that when we zone in on this stuff, those of us who are nerds for this stuff, that’s the way that our brain kind of works. I was actually convinced the other way. And I listened to it, and I’ll name drop her for sure. Madeline Suithberg and I we we chat, you know, I would say frequently, Yeah, frequently, moderate, moderately, frequently, Madeline Suthberg and I will chat, and she’s gonna come on the show here at some point.

But I asked that question. I asked her that question. I said, okay, well, is the Daily Show a late night show? And she convinced me of it. It was?

It was? It was what because the desk comes out early, it’s not a late night show? What because? And I mean that’s not something that she said. She was far more elo eloquent in what she said.

But but I am now back on board where Yeah, no, I believe Daily Show is a late night show. It’s it’s you know, it’s nightly. They have guests, they you know. To me, I think the Daily Show actually changed late night. I was having this conversation with Scott Ryan, who wrote Last Days of Letterman.

We were talking about this. We were wondering when the first time, Like, I don’t think Dave ever did a monologue where a screen showed up beside him and there was like, you know, graphics that were enhancing the jokes. But he did definitely throw to video packages within the monologue, like like famously the very last Late Show. One of the things that he said in the middle of the monologue, okay now it’s on for a new segment comedy we would have done tomorrow. There are a bunch of jokes that were still topic.

It’s just very good, very very yeah nice. When did Dave add that to the monologue? Well, it was certainly after the Daily Show showed up. Never mind the fact that you had, you know, other hosts at other desks who had the graphic and was being helped. Well, now they’re really merging into two like and so anyway, I’m convinced that The Daily Show is a late night show, and that’s why John’s on the list.

But yeah, powerful powerful force in nature in late night nature. There’s no question about that. Absolutely. Number five, we’re going to the imitator, the guy who wants to be David Letterman, and that is Jimmy Kimmel. I think if September this of twenty twenty five hadn’t happened, he would have been further up the list.

He might not have made the list. But I said earlier that I think that Jimmy is transcending and he’s going past this place of into the next zone, whatever that is. Who knows how long he’s gonna do it for, but he has certainly, you know, got all. He deserves to be on this list because ABC never had a late night show for the same reason that that that Letterman gets all the accolades for giving CBS their late night show. Jimmy Kimmel did it for ABC.

You talk about it network. That gave a guy time to find his voice and become something. My gosh, remember the original It’s called Jimmy Kimmel Live because they were live. They were all live at first, and he couldn’t get guests and the audience could drink, and there was all sorts of crazy stuff that this play started with and what it’s evolved into, it’s evolved into David Letterman light. But at the same time, he is the combination of Jay Leno and David Letterman, because you’ve got this guy who works for ABC.

Well, he happens to be a Star Wars fan, he happens to be a Marvel Comics fan, he happens to be a fan of of of the network that owns him and all of their properties, and so every time one of these new projects comes out, he can do a collab with them, and he can do well. This is the stuff that len I loved about the Tonight Show and the stuff that Dave. Dave hated, He didn’t like doing that stuff at all. You know, Jimmy has embraced that and has done a phenomenal job at that. Then you’ve got the fact that he’s hosted the Oscars and done all sorts of things that Johnny Carson did back in the day and did very very well at it.

To me, Jimmy Kimmel is absolutely worthy of being number five on the top ten late night hosts of all time. What do you think about that? I feel you have him too high. I am favorable towards Jimmy Kimmel. I think if we think in terms of two things, skin of mind.

In terms of baseball, for my beloved eighty six Mets, he had Twin Good and doctor k with the incredible not just the fastball and striking people out, he had this incredible curve ball. He’s David Letterman.

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And then behind him you had Ron Darling quily going about his business winnin…

And I feel like Kimmel on his walk to the Hall of Fame. And we’ll see what this final act is, however long it is, whether it is another year and a half for longer. Is accumulating innings and they’re nice, solid innings. But he’s definitely not making Mount Rushmore right, which doesn’t mean bad. Not everyone makes Mount Rushmore Yep.

I just feel like it’s high. I have to look at the final list and and does he make it? Why is it? Why is he making it? Over?

Stephen Colbert, can we have that discussion or is that for later? Absolute? No, you know the discussion right now? Absolutely? Yeah, Colbert didn’t make the list because as far as he’s in the he’s in that Stuart category and and and so he gets that’s where his that’s where his sort of honorable mention comes in.

So I cheated a little bit, okay, you know, because uh, he was the he was the king that that that Stuart made. But again this time next year, when we see how he leaves Late Show or the Late Show and what happens, you know, we might be a different list next year. But yeah, Kimmel, to me, this was this was a debate that I had in my head, and I’m like, well, it’s not that I’m not going to mention him, but but Kimmel, the fact that he got brought back the way that he did, and thank goodness, you don’t have to boycott this stuff anymore. I’m so grateful for that, the fact that he got brought back the way that he did and whatnot. Just this year here, it just showed that he is He’s one of those guys and I just feel like he is transcending out of and he’s becoming bigger than what it is that he does.

I just feel like Kimmel’s making that transformation right now. So while we’re touching on Colbert, how do you how do you walk off? Is the right move? Just hey, let’s book every a level star. Like.

I don’t feel like that’s the right move for Colbert. I feel like his walk off needs to be more thoughtful and say something. So I don’t need Tom Cruise coming by to promote Mission Impossible ten. I need him to do something with some weight and speak to the nation and speak to the moment. And I don’t know what that is, but it’s not just Sebastian Maniscalko coming on doing his stand.

Yeah, you know, I feel like when Dave, like again, I’ve said that the greatest six weeks of entertainment in my entire life was the last six weeks of Late Show with David Letterman. They threw the kitchen sink at it. But the kitchen sink that they threw was a version of Johnny Carson’s kitchen sink. Yeah, you know, it was laid out very similarly. There would be lots of clips of things that happened over the years, and when you have a wits and breadth of body of work, you can do that.

Well. Colbert doesn’t have that Colbert’s got ten years unless you start bringing in the Comedy Central stuff. And if you start bringing in the Comedy Central stuff from the rapport, okay, you can do that, and there might be a unique version of that kitchen sink that can be done. And like you said earlier, they combine it with bringing back a bringing a list stars, but of course bringing back friends of the show. If there’s an ingredient that needs to be included with Colbert’s exit, I firmly believe that whoever are considered friends of his show need to be deeply involved in it.

And of course the top of that list is of course John Stewart, right, So I think there are ways that you could customize, you know, what the ending is going to look like, but it’s gonna have to do with the friends of the show. He’s got a lot more political friends than Letterman or Carson ever did, so, so that that’s gonna be an interesting element to it as well, because his show is very political. It’s a political show, so I think it does need to be different though, because it is such a different show than what Letterman and Carson did. Boy, weird shit, it’s time to get some business in here. We’ll take a break, we’ll come back.

We’ll talk a little bit more with Mike Chisholm about the top ten late night hosts of all time. Mike Chisholm hosts The Letterman Podcast. He is today’s guest, and we’re discussing his list of the top ten late night hosts of all time? And how many do we have left? I’m playing along.

I don’t want to spoil the show. I have five head that you could throw out, you know, so there’s very obvious there’s four left, and I have four life names. Like exactly, and I think I know what I want to do. Okay, I don’t want to throw names out and ruin it for the audience, but I would imagine people can guess it at least three of them. Yeah, yeah, for sure.

Number four is our boy, Conan O’Brien, And you know that’s one of the names for sure. There’s no question Conan. How do you follow David Letterman? You know? And Conan not only did it, but did it right.

He did a phenomenal job taking over the mantle of late night. He was so resilient as late night became similar to the Letterman Carson thing, you know, when Letterman was on at twelve thirty, there was a point where his show was the hip Show and the Tonight Show was the anchor that the Hip Show was kind of, you know, attached to the same thing happened with Conan and Leno. You know, there was a point where where Conan was the hip guy. He was the guy that was they were getting to host the Emmy’s just like Dave. He was the guy that was knocking the ball out of the park, creating new types of of the way to present the show, his travel shows, you know, and then of course the resilience of weathering the storms, and he had a lot of them at the beginning, of course, during the Late Night years.

You know, of course, how do you react to having the Tonight Show taken from you after it was promised to you for five years? You know. And and Conan, you know, leaving Late Night. The deal that he signed was serious, the podcast, all the relevance that Conan has in life, and right now, at this time, I just want to throw a shout out to he and his family and all the stuff that they’re going through right now. They are just Oh what a way that they’re in it right now.

You know, the most unpredictable kind of thing. You know, we just have so much love for Conan and respect for him, and of course he’s going to be on this list, and he’s going to be really high up on this list. So that’s why he’s at number four, you. Know, not to bring the showdown, but one of the things as a producer, I try and look ahead to the stories of the next six months or the next year. I fear we’re going to have a major celebrity trial where lawyers are going to want to ask Conan O’Brien what happened at that party?

And I could see a defense attorney saying, well, why didn’t you call nine one one? When people said, like, I fear Conan’s going to be in the news for reasons no one deserves to be in the news. What a horrible tragedy, obviously, but I just want to, you know, put that out there into the universe that I think we’re going to see Conan’s name in the news in twenty twenty six. Yeah, I I absolutely, absolutely, and and and I just but you know that stuff is going to work itself out, you know, you know that stuff is you know, hindsight is twenty twenty. Could I have done something different?

Okay, there’s there, there’s that, But then there’s also the the heart part. And I mean, I know that they’re all I’ve heard a couple of grape vine things, and there’s a lot of people that are really sad right now, and and and and really just hurt, and and and and and and devastated in fact, and and and I just feel so bad for that part of it as well. That the course, you’re right, it’s gonna be if this trial is public, it’s going to be, in my opinion, it’s going to be like the OJ trial. It’s going to be. It’ll be a circus.

Hopefully that can be circumvented somehow. I don’t know if there’s what the laws are and if there’s special circumstances if if that then seals things, I don’t know if that would happen. But yeah, I think you’re I think you’re right. I think it’s going to become a circus. But at the end of the day, when a circus is happening and people are genuinely hurt and there’s all this stuff going on around them, like that’s the part where I’m just like just just everybody who’s involved in that situation know that there are people out there in public who are just pulling for you and we’re thinking about yeah, yeah, you know.

I say none of this flippantly, just as someone who analyzes things. This makes Conan’s bio it oh bit. It might be one sentence in the seventh paragraph, but it’s going to make his obituary and again a horrible situation. I don’t mean to be the least bit flippant about this situation, and I hope I’m not coming across that way, but just just just factually, Conan’s going to be in the news as there are some other famous people. Absolutely, now that being said, the reason that he is in the news the way he is, the giant he has become.

And you talk about Smigel and I think about them, and I think about, you know, the camaraderie that they had back in the SNL days, and if they either of them, could have ever, ever, ever fathomed that this would happen to them and they would become the cultural icons that they are. Conan of course being the public one, Smigel, you know, being the genius, the creative genius behind the scenes, but you think about Conan and do you think even in his wildest dreams he takes over for David Letterman, that he would end up becoming who he has become. No, I can’t, right, because if you just go back, it’s wait, Lauren says, I can host twelve thirty, Okay, And. How long are you think? Are you thinking you’re going to do that for fourteen years?

Are you hoping it lasts a year? Three years?

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And then you go do what?

And then and then hey, do you want to host the Tonight Show? Well, of course everyone wants to host the Tonight Show? Who doesn’t want to host the Tonight Show?

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And then that rug gets pulled out of you?

And then I know we have different opinions on the TBS years, you know, a little I mean less visible, Right, it’s not this Tonight Show, It’s TBS. But then this more recent act of both the podcast and then the great appearance as an Oscar host, the more Chwin Awards, he’ll be back as the Oscars host. Now the Oscars itself is interesting because is it two years of Conan?

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And then because the Oscar’s destiny is YouTube, and YouTube will want to put…

And have he it’s the whatever one hundred and second Oscars with your host, mister beast. You know. So Conan’s not about to host the Oscars for the next ten years. He might do two or three. Do they go back to Kimmel one last time in ABC?

And this gets me back to the if Jimmy Kimmel retires, you’re my age, what are you gonna do for the next fifteen twenty years? I know you have money, but you need something to do. You have to have a project, even if it’s hosting Strike Force five. But like I don’t see Jimmy Kimmel at you know, fifty five ish, just going home and doing nothing for twenty years. He needs something to do.

Even David Letterman apparently needs something to do. Right, Hey, there’s there’s there’s the name for the next the next Netflix show. David Letterman needs something to do. It would be not far off the mark. Yeah, I mean Conan is a giant.

Him hosting the Oscars was again, yeah, cherry on top and in so many ways, and it’s gonna be great to see him do it again. I look forward to everything that he’s doing. We got three left, and you got four names I think three is going to combine two of those names. Okay, Now I’m a little biased with this one here, I fully admit it, but I still stand by it. The number three, uh you know, talk show host, the top ten talk show host of all time.

Number three for me is Dick Cabot. Oh yes, yes, yes. Now with me. Dick Cabot comes with somebody and it comes, he comes with his mentor, he comes with Jack Parr and I and and I want to talk about them at the same time because I believe again this list here has a whole bunch of people who are you know, kings or king makers whatnot. The last two are both combined.

But but when you look at when you look at what Dick did, you know, he did compete against Johnny Carson number one, so he was an outstanding talk show host in his own his own you know respect. But he also was such a part of Jack Parr’s show and was influenced so much by Jack Parr. And and and when you look at you know, his his reverence for Jack is just second to none. And I look at what Dick did and the combination of broadcaster intelligence stand up as well, he is absolutely a phenomenal player and carries on the spirit of Jack Parr. That’s why I put Dick Cabot at number three.

I know that there might be some people who want to start throwing stones at me with that one, but that’s that’s that’s this is my list. It has nothing to do with the fact that Dick told me he liked me, nothing to do with that at all. But yeah, he’s my number three. No, not absurd at all. Those were the two names.

I was wondering which one you’re going to lead leave off. Those were the two that were out there. Cavot, you know, in many ways a podcaster, right, the same conversation that we’ve had. I can’t argue with it. It is Cavit show whacky.

No, not at all, not at all. Nope, No, it had no wackiness to it. It was it was intelligent humor to be sure. Oh wait, I just realized, unless you’ve totally lost your mind, with two slots left, you have left Tom Snyder off your list. I did.

Tom Snader is one of the honorable mentions. He’s he’s he just it was him, you know, And I mean I look at I look at him, I look at Charlie and it’s the long form late night that I love that Dave does right now, but yet it is it is awful list. And Tom’s one of those guys who who who? I just he was one of Dave’s influences, and I think it’s very obvious that he’s one of Dave’s influences. But yeah, he uh, Hey, there’s only there’s only ten slots, and you can’t have everybody.

Uh, you can’t have everybody represented. Tom’s one of the people that did not make the list. Now I’m hoping you’re going for the clicks here and one of the last two slots is going to Magic Johnson or Cheffy Chase or and the Pat Say Jack and you know, the two left of Letterman and Pat say Jack, and then we can all hate on your list. Huh that’s right, say Jack. I just uh, it’s just the best punch line of all times.

Pat Say Jack. I just love it. That show wasn’t that bad. It just wasn’t reason to exist. But it wasn’t awful.

Oh he was fine, but he you know, you talk about a guy who didn’t connect. He didn’t feel like he was connecting with it the way that that that that the hosts that we love connect with us so much like look at God. At Craig Ferguson, I felt a genuine connection with him. I felt that he was genuinely connecting with his guests. He had a genuine connection with the robot skeleton on the other side of the room.

You look at Pat, say Jack, and I didn’t feel that connection at all. The other honorable mention, by the way, of course, is mister Allan Thick, Canadian hero, mister Allen Thick for Thick of the Night. You know, he gets he gets an honorable mention. But yeah, No. Number two is Johnny number two, Johnny Carson yep.

On the Letterman Podcast. Johnny Carson is only number two. That’s wow, that’s shocking. Most people who are who are who are enthusiasts of David Letterman, they say Johnny’s number one. I I don’t.

But it’s the same way that uh, you know again, I’ve used this example so many times the Godfather. You know, some people like Veto, some people like Michael Well, Michael took the thing and he carried it down the field farther and and and and was even more successful, you know, and and to me, Johnny Carson, he did that, and then the guy who makes number one went and did that, so so so Johnny took the ball, Johnny Carson. I mean, oh, by the way, let’s uh, let’s give a little love to my boy, Mark Malcoff. I’m seeing stories every day online where like the Daily Mirror or US Weekly or whatever, Will will will tell an old Johnny Carson story. It’s happening every day on the news, right.

I love I love seeing this and it’s all as a result of Mark’s book being released, and they’re seeing a newly released book, but our Mark Malcoff and telling a Johnny Carson Joonan River story or something like that. I could not be happier that we are in twenty twenty five and Johnny Carson is still getting buzz. It is such a beautiful, beautiful thing. Did you love Johnny growing up? So?

Johnny was the thing I stared at killing time until twelve thirty. Right, So I come into Johnny backward because my godmother hasn’t gotten me the VCR yet and I don’t have cable TV, so what am I gonna do? So you start watching this Johnny Carson guy, and over time, you come to appreciate it, and I was really in on the end. Then as time goes on and you become older and more mature, and you go back and you just study the work because you’re into these things, and you see the clips.

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And then when the metvs of the world were airing the older shows and you read…

Obviously I love Dave where we wouldn’t even be friends. But for me, you know, there’s a nuclear emergency and we got to wake somebody up at three fifteen in the morning and go, dude, sorry to wake you. There’s a set and you got to interview Mary Lou Henter and band, and I wrote a monologue for you, and just you got to execute a late night show. Right now, I would hand the ball to Johnny and know that I’m going to get a funny hour, whereas Dave I’d be on roller skates the entire time. Oh, that’s a great analogy.

That’s a great analogy. Yes, yeah, that’s a Yeah. You could set your watch to Johnny. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, you really could, and he’s just yeah, it’s it’s cool reading the book actually because it came out, it’s so weird that a book in twenty twenty five would be the perfect time to come out about Johnny Carson. But it really really is when you look at the perspective of what’s happening in late night right now, and you read some of the stuff that Johnny went through, and late night is a show, but late night, late night is a genre.

When you look at it, you know, there’s these crazy quotes that come out of him, Johnny Carson that are in this book that are prophetic, you know, talking about how it’s gonna expand and it’s gonna have to contract and and and and Yeah. It’s really I mean, Johnny Carson is the he is I want to say he’s the goat, but he’s the goat that that that that created the goat. Number one, of course, it’s the Letterman podcast. I did. I did want to look at maybe looking at someone else, but there was just nobody other than Johnny who could have could have ever taken this spot.

He is the number one, uh, in my opinion, broadcaster of all time. It’s not even just a talk show host. In my opinion, David Letterman is the number one broadcaster of all time. And uh, you can go from every genre from the most ridiculous of the ridiculous, throwing stuff off the tower, to having phenomenal short and long form conversations with heads of state of the world and and everything in between. Uh.

Dave’s the guy. You know, the fact that he inspired some Canadian uh you know, to out of his basement, Uh, you know, create a show in his name, who has no business in doing something like that. That’s the inspiration. That’s the kind of reach that Dave has. And it’s still doing it.

And he didn’t he didn’t stop. Johnny stopped and he and he kind of left the limelight. Dave hasn’t done that. In fact, he has introduced so many people to so many different things because of who he is and where he is in this time and place in history. So David Letterman is, of course number one.

He’s clearly my favorite. You can’t argue with it. You’re putting a thought in my head about the walk Off by Johnny Carson, that we don’t have the Johnny Carson Netflix series where he interviewed Andie Dickinson. You know, we don’t have that, whereas we do have elder statesman Letterman. Now I’m really digging the openly political David Letterman.

I think that’s really really interesting. And again, oh, late night shows, late night knows, can’t people go? Sure they can, absolutely they can, and they should be. I get the playing down the middle, I get it, but I also like to know what somebody is thinking. Not that you want to lose half the audience.

I understand that argument. But this version of David Letterman where I don’t care, I’ll walk away from the table and leave my chips there, don’t need him, don’t care, and he can speak his mind to the current states of things. I absolutely love it. But back to the walk off, you just did a mental exercise for me. If I don’t know, Dave goes, well, I’m not getting the Tonight show.

That’s it. Eddie just becomes a total recluse. And all I have in my mind are eleven seasons of a guy throwing watermelons off the tower. It would probably be like Eddie Murphy’s comedy career that if you told me like, hey, Letterman’s coming back and he’s hosting on Netflix, I’d be like, oh my god, that’s going to be the most amazing thing ever.

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And then a guy with a white beer shows up and does a serious interview with A…

It would be like, if Eddie Murphy ever returns to the stand up, it cannot possibly live up to what my mind needs the Beatles reunion to be. So maybe if Dave does do eleven and done, I’d be like, oh my god, did you see this show? It’s the most amazing thing that ever happened.

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And then he walked away.

Mm hmm. Yeah. I think it’s funny. As you said that, I think about when Craig Ferguson left and it’s almost similar to, okay, yeah, Craig Ferguson decides he doesn’t you know, he left late night. It’s it’s very similar to that, and uh oh yeah that’s got me thinking too that, Yeah, that’s that’s a fantastic analogy.

That’s exactly right. If Dave would have done that, it’s funny, like like I’m trying to remember who oh. Senator Al Franken in the last month, the last six weeks, else El Franken was on and he was a senator at the time, and he said to Dave, he said, he said, before you go off and become an eccentric recluse. And I think a lot of people thought that that’s exactly what Dave was gonna do, and and and it’s funny like I I’m into Billie Eilish. The reason I’m into Billy Eilish is because she was on Dave’s My Next Guest show.

You know, But people ask me what my favorite next guest uh is of all time? And until I saw Bateman, I had an answer, and then Bateman kind of Bateman might be my number one of all time. But then I went and saw Dave Chapelle’s special, and the guy who Bateman replaced went back up, and Dave Chappelle is my favorite letterman of all time, and and and and uh my next guest, I should say, of all time. And part of it, I think is because when Dave does start talking to people with opinions about things he we start to get glimpses of what Dave’s opinion on the same subject are. And we always liked that.

We always liked when a guest back in the day would say something to Dave and make him answer a personal question, and we the audience loved that right because it didn’t happen very often because of how private he is. And in this way, I think my next guest does it as well. It brings out some of those political things. To me, Dave is always a common sense guy. His barometer for make making fun of a politician or something like that didn’t go off until the common sense part.

As soon as the common sense part went into the red now it’s like, okay, we’re just gonna open it up. But yeah, that’s a good point that you made about that. I really love that now. And there’s something too walking off. I think when Howard Stern’s career is said and done, there’s gonna be a strong argument for whatever Day already lang and needed to leave the show should have been the last episode of the Howard Stern Show.

I’m not sure that this this late period Howard stuff is doing justice to the Howard Stern legacy. I know, man like, like he just signed up for is it three years? Another three years? Yeah? Yeah, so he’s not retiring essentially.

That’s what that tells me is that he’s just not gonna retire. He’s just gonna keep going and doing it because it’s what he knows, what he loves. I think he still loves it. I don’t know. I’ve I haven’t listened to a ton of the current stuff.

It seems like he enjoy having thoughtful conversations with people. But when you think back to what brought him to the dance and how you know, I’ll you know, oh, I see these two girls, you know, I want to bang them both. Like that was that was That was the stuff he used to say every single day, and that’s what brought him to it, And his evolution is very interesting. Yeah, I don’t know. I don’t know, Like, like, is it comforting?

Is it comfort food? Da’ve talked about Johnny, how Johnny would tuck people in every night and it was just one of those things. Is Howard stirned comfort food to a lot of people? Is that that part of it? I don’t think so, because I think those of us that grew up on Howard that Howard’s gone, Johnny was still Johnny.

You know, you could swap out an episode from nineteen eighty six with one from nineteen seventy four. Yep, and maybe it was a half hour shorter, but it was the same show. Yeah, that looked a little newer, that was it. It was the same show, whereas what Howard’s doing now has you know, Robin and Fred are there, but other than that, it’s not really the same show from you know, pick a Day in nineteen ninety three. Yeah.

I love when Dave and Howard have conversations, like, I love there’s an episode of I would love to hear hear Dave and Howard have another conversation, a current one. I don’t think they’ve talked in a while, in a year anyway, something like that. I love. I love when they talk. One of the things that those two both have in common is they have the ability to get people to start talking about things that they don’t want to talk about.

Both of them have that ability. What do you think that is? Like you’ve been in radio for a long time, Like when you have a host, Alex Bena, I can do the same thing. Actually, when you have a host who has the ability to start eliciting stuff that the person that they’re talking to didn’t necessarily intend on talking about. What is that causes that.

So it’s a combination of charisma, prep, doing the prep and taking the time to get the guest in a place where they’re comfortable. So if I have you on to come out Gangbusters and go my host the Letterman podcast, you have Johnny Carson at number two, that’s ridiculous. You know, I’ve started off from an antagonistic point of view, whereas if I hang out with you for forty minutes, and especially if I can talk to you about the thing you’re very passionate about, that’s not this. So hey, Mikeaul’s on your Facebook page yesterday I saw you out with your granddaughter. Yeah, you know, you know, what were you guys up to?

What was that like? And you know I could just tell from your Facebook posts, you know this is something that’s This is someone who is tremendously important to you. And so I could talk to you about her for twenty minutes and get you to open up.

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And now our body language has gone from this to kind of leaning back in the c…

But but it’s not my opener. And that’s what Howard’s good at. And this is why he has guests on for an hour and you sit in the comfy sofa and you get a little comfortable with the gang and it’s not a threatening thing. And you know, but that plus charisma, plus the repuds of the show, and he is a very good interviewer. It’s just not the reason those of us who bought Howard stern stock in nineteen eighty five bought it.

Right now, that makes a lot of sense. So that’s the list. That’s the list list, not too not too controversial, right, a good list. Zone Rivers gets an honorable mention, So DOA’s Tom he gets an honorable mention of course as well. Yeah, but anyway, that was it.

Yeah, it was hard not to get. The hardest part was was shoe warning. How can I talk about Colbert and how can I talk about Parr? But like having both Alan and Parr on and Carson on and Jay on, you know, that was just it was it was just it was it was a bridge that was just it was too it was too heavy on the bridge. So one of them, one of them had to But three Tonight Show lists on the top ten list, there’s three who goes to the Tonight Show?

So but yeah, I uh, I can’t wait till you watch the Sandler episode. There’s four four, who’s a I want to know Brian host? How dare you? Sir? How dare you?

You? Unbelievable? I said that too. It was like something felt weird when I said it. Oh my god, that’s the.

Jay Leno of podcasters. That’s who you are cutting it there. Mike laughed at that line there at the end, and we moved on to some other topics. But I’m I’m saving that part of the conversation for a completely different episode on one of these January weekends. I hope you’re enjoying these conversations with Mike.

We’re hoping to do a bunch of these. Enjoy talking to him, and we can talk forever. This raw session was two and a half hours. Anytime we’re together, we just go and go and go. So he’s Mike Chisseingy hosts a Letterman podcast.

Mike you, Mike, thank you for your time, and I’ll meet everybody back here tomorrow.

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Featured: Steve Allen, Arsenio Hall, Johnny Carson, David Letterman, Conan O’Brien, John Stewart, Jimmy Kimmel

What’s in This Episode

• Mike Chisholm’s top 10 greatest late night hosts of all time list
• Steve Allen as the blueprint setter for late night television format
• Arsenio Hall as first full-time talk show host of color
• Arsenio Hall’s cultural impact and music programming
• Johnny Carson’s competitive concern about Arsenio Hall
• Don Giller’s David Letterman YouTube compilation series

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media. Hi there, I’m Johnny Mac with your Daily Comedy News Today crossover episode with The Letterman Podcast. Mike Chisholm is the host of The Letterman Podcast, and he had seen a list of the top ten late night host of all time and he didn’t like the list, so he made his own and he wanted me to react to it. So over the Christmas break he was like, Hey’m going to send you a list. I’m like, don’t send me the list.

I don’t want to see your list. I’ll just react to it. So that’s what you’re going to hear right now. We’ve talked a little bit about your reaction to the Billboard Top twenty five Comedians of the Century. Well, there’s been a few late night ones as well.

One particular late night list came out, the top ten late night Hosts of All Time list, which I appreciated. It’s hard when it’s a mount rushmore when you got to pick four. It’s hard when it’s ten. You’ve got a little bit more breathing room and you can talk about things. I did not like the list that came out.

I don’t even want to, you know, I don’t wanna. I wasn’t a fan of the list that came out, and and and so I decided to pend my own top ten list, and I find I think that I did a pretty good job. I have not made this list public to anybody. You’re the first person that’s going to hear it. And the whole premise of the show was you reacting to what I think is the definitive top ten late night hosts in history list.

So that got this up, you gotta say. From the home office in Vancouver, it’s the top ten late night hosts of all time, topka late night hosts of all time, number ten. Okay, I got that, I got that in I got that in my head. And so what we’re gonna do? Okay, from the home office in Lumbee, British Columbia, the top ten late night television hosts in history.

For me, the top ten late night host it has to be started by Steve Allen. Number ten is Steve Allen. And this list is is I like this list because there’s a couple that are sort of combined with each other. There are a couple that are kind of group together. But I start the list with Steve Allen because as far as I’m concerned, this is the guy that set the blueprint.

You do talk about a blueprint that even in twenty twenty five, the format is the same for the most part, the desk, the monologue, the guests, the panel, the way that they’re set up. This is the guy that basically said this is how it’s gonna be. Yes, there were shows before him, there were stuff that came along before him, but Steve Allen is the guy that actually set the tone, and all these years later, you know that blueprint is still being followed. So to me, you start the list with Steve Allen, you know, not because he was the first to do it. You make him number one, but you say, okay, you’re the guy.

You’re the guy that’s going to start the list, just like you’re the guy that started the genre. That’s why I positioned him at number ten. Oh absolutely. If we had a magic wand and you could take Steve Allen in his prime and say, you know, we’re going to use doctor Who technology here, Steve Allen in your prime, right now, I need you to host. I need you to fill in for Johnny Carson on a Tuesday night in nineteen seventy six.

Done. I need you to fill in on Late Night with David Letterman on a Monday in nineteen eighty five. No problem, where’s the Alka Seltzer suit. I got this same note on Conan Hey, John Stewart’s throwing up in the bathroom. You think you can wing the Daily Show for us?

Absolutely? Jimmy Kimmel doesn’t want to do it anymore. You want to show on ABC in twenty twenty eight, Sure, so on Steve Allen one. There we go, and and and the cool thing about Steve and not just Steve, but some of the other the other you know, pioneers of of of of this genre. If you go onto Don Giller’s David Letterman YouTube channel, if you go to Don Giller’s YouTube channel, there’s the talk show host compilation.

And I’ve talked about this one a lot. I don’t know if there’s any series. And this is a this is a big commitment because it’s like there’s seven parts to it, and I think they’re all an hour each something like that. But it’s in order every single talk show host appearance on one of David Letterman shows, and Steve Allen appeared on Late Night. I think you’ve appeared on the Morning Show too.

Now I think about it the Morning Show and Late Night and it’s it’s it’s really cool watching Steve. His influence on Dave is obvious in the first couple interactions. There’s a nervousness that Dave has, and I love that about early Dave. You know, it’s the exact opposite of where he is right now. He’s not the elder statesman that can that can communicate with anybody.

He is really nervous and UH. And and to watch Steve come in and and and and im part some wisdom and grace in doing so and even doing the show is such a cool thing. And and so I highly recommend that for people who love this stuff, highly recommend going and watching that compilation. UH number nine another trailblazer in his own right. Arcinio Hall and I have our studio here at number nine because, of course UH the first talk show host of of UH of color who has his own full time show.

Johnny of course had guest hosts of color for the Tonight Show, but this is the first one that it’s really helmed his own deal, and not just helmed his own deal, but was he was a culture, a significant person in culture, all culture. I was a huge hip hop fan growing up, and I love the music on late night. I love the music that would show up on late night. There was but but to be perfectly frank, the bullseye for me when it came to music on any late night talk show of me growing up, it was our Senio Hall, our senior Hall. Had phenomenal music, he had phenomenal guests.

He had a different vibe to things, of course, and I thought, uh, just the way that he I mean, he’s the guy that many people said, oh yeah, Carson’s in trouble because this new hip person is coming in. And he was a cultural phenomenon as well. Obviously didn’t have the lasting power, but at the same time significant enough to make it to the top ten. Oh absolutely. If you think of a lot of people that took on the Johnny timeslot, if not Johnny specifically, they were all playing on Johnny’s corner, Let’s do something similar like if you looking like Pat, say, Jack Show, what is that?

It’s you know, it’s the Tonight show without being the Tonight show, Like what are we doing? Whereas Arsenio did something different for a different audience. And there was a lot of different audience out there and both shows could coexist. You you are reminding me of the Carsenio sketch. Now, yes, I’m trying to remember.

I’ve read several Carson books, and I can’t remember where the experts have landed if that sketch actually bothered Johnny or not. But the Carsenio sketch, for people who have not seen it, it’s on YouTube. It’s a must watch, and it really speaks to that particular moment. It does and from where I from what I have heard, let me ask Mark Malkoff about it. But but yeah, Johnny, one of the things that gave Johnny pause in his entire career was Arcinio.

But also Carcinio, the idea of of of of being able to, you know, maybe get maybe not a full on gut shot, but a grazing bullet to the bulletproof man. I think is something that happened there. And apparently Arsenio gave Johnny pause saying well, maybe it is time to hang it up. So I mean, that’s that’s significant in itself. Yeah.

I mean, you know, we all age, and I increasingly feel my own age, and I love doing my podcast. I’m like, you know, at some point in the not crazy future, it’s gonna be like, Okay, seventy year old man talking about Dane Cook. What David Letterman? That show aired sixty years ago, old timer, what are you talking about? You know, I do sort of have an unofficial line.

I’ve never really pondered where it is. But there are comedic things that I don’t talk about because it’s like speaking a different language. I self possess profess to live on Old Man Mountain, and at some point it’s just it’s just not my thing. Somebody’s doing something on TikTok. It’s wonderful, it’s great, people love it.

I don’t get it if you ever want to feel old. Every now and then Variety will do a top twenty, like you know, next gen Superstars of Media thing, and you go down the list you mentioned before, not being familiar with mister Beast, never mind mister Beast. You go down their top twenty listen and you’re like, I don’t know any of these people, which is fine, Which is fine. You know, I could say to my kids, Hey, there was this guy Dave, and he threw watermelons off a tower and they’ll be like, yeah, okay, Boomer, Yeah. I keep saying that to my granddaughter, she’s seven.

I’m putting all this pressure on her, saying, you’re the one that’s got to keep me cool. You make sure you only like cool things. Okay, you see, there’s no window here. So when he throws the card and it’s a sound effect, and that’s funny. It’s funny because there’s no window.

Kids, it’s really funny. What that being said? She and I because I mean, I’m playing he out the idea of her, of her doing some reaction videos to some of the stuff Dave did. When I put on Dave’s stuff where he’s throwing stuff off a tower, she absolutely to this day. Twenty in twenty twenty five, a seven year old girl laughs her little off when she sees him throwing stuff off the tower or running things over with the steamroller.

She loved the running scens over with the steamroller. But oh, she asks to watch it. She’s seven, So that gives me hope for that generation. Right, But like, what’s funny about Larry Budd Melman not being able to really hear what Dave’s saying. All the timing’s wrong.

The guy is not really delivering the lines. Well, like why is that funny? It just is? But like, hey, kids want to watch Larry Budd Melman. What?

Yeah, I don’t know. Okay, now you go. Now I’ve got it. Now I’ve got an assignment. Lara needs to see Larry Budd Melman and we’ll have to find out.

Number eight Craig Ferguson. The people that made this list are ones who definitely changed, who added something to the game. Maybe it didn’t change the game, but they added something to me. Ferguson, you know, I loved him. My golden age in watching late night television, h was when I could watch late show Conan’s Show on TBS and Craig Ferguson.

I know that that is not necessarily popular to a lot of the purest. As far as I’m concerned, Conan and Ferguson are two that were influenced by guys like Dave and and some of this stuff that’s out there that the esoteric stuff perhaps or you know, just the plain weird, uh, you know, and and the idea that he evolved his show to a place where he had a robot skeleton for a sidekick and they had a you know, two guys in a in a two man horse costume that would come in every single night, and the audience not only bought it, but they yearned for it when Secretariat would come in. You know, he had a he had a cult following. I really appreciate his sensibility, but he also brought some seriousness to the zaniness. You know, when he had Desmond tutu on as a guest or some of these other people that Craig ferguson to me, moved the ball up the field and did it in a very very compelling way.

That’s why he makes the list in the top ten. Did you did you ever? You know he started as a stand up I don’t know if you guys his past ever would have crossed the curious thing? You must have? You must have?

Yes, I got to work with Craig a handful of times. He came up, maybe to just do a guest appearance, and we asked him to do some vo for the Radio Classics channel, and he started improving and we’re like, wait, there’s something here, and he agreed to come back the next day. We grabbed this guy Ghosty, who was on the staff who could do voices and improv, you know, well enough to keep up with Craig Ferguson. And they came back and just rift and I forget what we even did with it, but it was just one of those magical things of like, oh, this is fun. I get to do this today.

I’m going to just hang out in the studio and watch Craig Ferguson improv and really super nice guy. I’ve always said, not that he’s a troll on TV, but he’s in person. He’s super handsome, Like, he’s a really good looking dude. YEA. Loved working with him, would love to run into him again.

I’ve got to see him just as a fan, you know, not going hey, can we meet you? Back to say, it’s just like I’m going to buy tickets, go to a show and go home. Really fantastic. It’s a shame he didn’t stay with Late Night because he would have had a thirty year run at it. You know, boy, don’t you wish you could put him on at twelve thirty tonight and he was on.

He’s fantastic. I would put him on any like. I listened to his podcast now and it’s fun to the one thing that you mentioned there when you the idea of bringing him back to do some work with Ghosty. The thing that Craig brings to the table is something similar that Dave has, where his reactions are very good and very funny and very out out of left field. And when he has somebody like Josh Robert Thompson who did the voice for Jeffrey Pretyson, and then of course Morgan Freeman and all these other stuff.

Josh is amazing. Josh has been on this show and we had a marathon. I think it was a two hour conversation with Josh two and a half hours on here. And the idea that there’s this guy that is so good that he is actually the voice of Morgan Freeman when they want to edit and make the safe for TV movies and they edit his dialogue. He’s the guy that does not just Morgan, but other people’s voices, and yet he’s crazy as as I’ll get out.

And then Craig can react to that. I love that Craig can react to that. Craig was so he would take the blue cart of what the segment producer had prepared for him for who his upcoming guest was, and he would tear it up beforehand because he wanted to have a spontaneous conversation with people. That is playing with a net, like being able to rely on your rap year like wit and and and react, and that be the source of the entertainment. Even the monologue was loose.

The monologue was on bullet points and the idea that he would just come out and start talking and and not just be able to sustain an audience. But like you said, if he chose to, could have gone on a run that would put him up there, you know, with the greats. But his sensibility was I don’t want to be part of this late night club. And and that was fun too. He’s a little punk rock, He’s a lot punk rock in fact, when you look at Craig’s history.

So yeah, to me, he’s a guy that that certainly deserves to be on the last Sorry to cut you please. Is that is that. Part of the magic that I don’t want to be part of this club. Now I can break that apart because Jimmy Kimmel wants to be David Letterman. David Letterman wanted to be Johnny Carson but wasn’t allowed to be Johnny Carson twice and that sort of created David Letterman.

Yep, Conan O’Brien, some random writer in the game who. Has the who are you giving the show too? What are you saying? So? Like?

Is that part of the magic of not wanting to do the show? And conversely, is that part of the problem people have with Jimmy Fallon who I respect Jimmy’s game. Jimmy understands what the Tonight show is and he runs he runs the playbook. Is it cool? It is not cool?

Nope, But he runs the playbook the way he’s asked to run it. He runs it very well, and he’s going to wind up being the last eleven thirty show standing. It sounds like, but you know, is there something to be said to I don’t actually want to do this? Well, this is okay, John, Jimmy Kimmel one more year. I’m gonna sign on a one year contract.

And I mean some people look at it and go, okay, Yeah. He doesn’t want to get in the way of the Colbert because Colbert is gonna have his big send off, Like, I mean, we’re about to enter an era here, you know, I remember the last six weeks of Dave. There’s gonna be an era here where Colbert is ramping up to his leaving. I can see why Kimmel didn’t want to be a part of that. But there’s also a part of me that goes, it’d be cool to see Jimmy Kimmel do this for year to year, for the next five years.

Because he’s walking on the knife’s edge. He’s like, Okay, am I going to keep doing it? Am I not going to keep doing it? And to me that adds an element of freshness, just like the hesitation, I don’t want to do this. I don’t want to be that guy.

Ferguson, you know, for a long time wasn’t wearing a tie, and then he went and started wearing vests and he started doing different things to try and because he was uncomfortable with conformity and the idea of wanting to break out of that. Somehow, I think absolutely is part of the magic. A hesitation I’m doing this, but I don’t really want to be here kind of an attitude. Oh we love that stuff. But again, it’s the same example that Bill Carter used in his in his book talking about in Late Shift, talking about the difference between Dave and j you know, it’s it’s it’s it’s pop music versus Pink Floyd.

You know, they’re different atmospheres, they’re different people, they’re different everything. There’s a big group of people that love Jimmy Fallon and it’s it’s a pop music group, whereas some people who are more like aficionados like us, are like, well, yeah, it’s just that that was my thing with Dave and j And by the way, number seven on the list of the top ten greatest late night hosts in history, Number seven is Jay Leno. Jay Leno, that guy’s the worst. Okay, we’ll take the break here and we’ll come back and talk about the most hated man in the world, Jay Leno. We continue with a look at Mike Chisholm from The Letterman Podcast’s Top ten Greatest late night Hosts of All Time and apparently this next guy who.

On the list of the top ten greatest late night hosts in history, number seven is Jay Leno. Oh the list the worst guy whoever? Let this guy, this guy, Jay Leno, He’s the worst. The way he will have opinions about late night television as if he knows anything about it. Did you see during the summer they asked him about Colbert and he weighed in on it.

What a hirk? What does he know? He’s hosted what twenty two years of The Tonight Show, more episodes than anybody, including Johnny Carson. As if jay Leno has any expertise in Late Night The worst guy plus the way you know his poor wife has dementia and he takes care of her and cares in the bathroom. This guy’s the worst.

I can understand why people can’t stand Jay Leno. He just seems like an awful guy, doesn’t he? Oh, I was so hoping you would do that. Let’s I want to talk about that a little bit, because this is this is the thing on your show whatever, somebody whatever jay Leto seems to pipe up about something, somebody seems to have a problem with it, and it makes the news and and is it just? Is it?

You know, a generation of people who were in their formative years, they saw what happened during the Cone thing, and they’ve now just labeled him. Is that what’s going wrong with Jay Leno? Yeah, it’s yes, it’s we’re backing Conan because it’s the same sensibility. Leno was the establishment candidate. Yep, and Conan was the scrappy up and comer who’s only been in Late night for fourteen years himself.

You know this poor struggling artist. Did Conan get a short run to shows? Need time to find her legs? Of course? And of course yep was when they pulled the chair back out for Jay Leno and he says, no, I’ve brought this up on your show before.

What happens then? Do they just keep Conan on ago w hoope this works out? Or do they pull out the Jimmy Fallon chair kind of quickly and now we all hate Jimmy Fallon because he stole Conan’s job. I I don’t know, putting aside that I might understand why you’re on team Conan and and are mad at j Us Letteran. People got over it.

I’m not mad at Jay. You know back in the original Late Night Wars that I want Dave to get the Tonight show. I did, absolutely, But I don’t go around kicking a box. All day going. I can’t believe Jay Leno got the Tonight show.

What does he know about late night comedy? You know it, It’s okay, It’s okay, guys. But putting aside the the horrible sin of taking the Tonight’s Show back. I just don’t understand why people hate Jay Leno. Yeah, me too.

I I mean this is this is one of the greatest joke writers in history. And I mean, you know, you look at you look at the hosts of the Tonight Show, how many of them were stand ups? You know, really, at the end of the day, Jay is really the only one like Fallon was as well. Fallon definitely definitely was a stand up, but he was more an actor and an impressionist and things like that. He had a different he had a very different stand up aact than than than Jay.

That’s for sure. Jay is a pure joke writer. He is a pure stand up. Not only when you talk about you know, he’s an influential one. You got guys like David Letterman himself, Jerry Seinfeld who called Jay, you know, the greatest joke writer ever, and and and when you look at what he wanted to add to the Tonight Show, you know, he has this huge, huge like the fact that somebody followed Johnny and they stayed the job is nuts.

And this goes back to what you were saying about giving time for shows to find their feet. You know, he for a year and a half letterman handed him his lunch, and Leno, to his credit, was a tactician and did everything he possibly could to rough the edges off the Tonight Show. So it was a perfect, you know, gleaming shine that you could see yourself in and every little detail counted and became a tactician. Whereas again you look at Dave. Yes, everybody was working their asses off, but they came across as a product that you know, isn’t like that.

It’s not shiny, it is a little bit more clunky, and that’s kind of their identity. Leno went the exactly other way. It said, no, no, no, no, we need a monologue where I have to do credit to what is considered one of the greatest pieces of television content of all time, which is Johnny Carson’s monologue, and I have to do that justice. So I mean, of course it’s gonna take him time to adjust and to grow. That’s where I have the little problem with.

You know, he talks about Conan and Conan’s numbers with the Tonight Show, and you know, we’re in a diminishing market and there’s all these sorts of things and he says, Oh, the numbers are the numbers, you know, you know, that’s what happens. Yeah, but you were given that time. And to answer your question what you said earlier. If Conan was given the time with the Tonight Show, hindsight is twenty twenty, look at what Conan has become since then. Now, he wouldn’t have had the bump of the of the of the robbery, you know, and people getting you know, that culmination point of people getting excited or whatever and all coming together and creating Team Coco.

That might not have happened if he was given that eighteen months to run the Tonight Show and do it the way he wanted to do it and give time people, give people time to get used to it. I I think Conan would have been just fine in the Tonight Show chair. But NBC had a whole bunch of things going on and Jay took the brunt of it. The fact that Jay had this contract, this pay and play contract. You know, why aren’t people up in arms about NBC creating this impossible scenario for you know, for for themselves.

So there’s a lot more to it. But the idea that Jay Leno isn’t revered today. Even if he’s not your cup of tea, it is asinine to me twenty two years on the Tonight Show, Are you kidding Me? And and and yeah, so so Leno is to me? Leno is formidable.

You heard it here first on the Letterman podcast. But he’s formal at number seven on the top ten list all time. So two things about Jay, and I imagine your audience, of course, is familiar with Jay’s appearances on Late Night with David Letterman. Yes, thank you for watching. Watch those you’ll see a different Edgier.

You know, maybe he’s not a Dice Clay, but he’s it’s an edgier Jay Leno. I’m also brilliantly parried parodied by Chris Elliott, who came out just as Jay Leno. One Night had a classic schedule. I’d probably watched once a week, and you know you have that version of Jay Leno. I also think the NBC ten pm idea was the right idea, maybe a little too early.

And as we’ve seen TV budgets evolve, if you told me I could have Stephen Colbert at ten pm, uh, you know, a paired down. Hey, we’re gonna put two chairs on a stage and I need you to talk to somebody for an hour, four nights a week. That’s probably pretty budget friendly. And I would welcome that on my network lineup if I could get it. Absolutely absolutely.

And if you look at guys like Charlie Rose and and and Steve alor Tom Snyder. Uh, you look at these long for there’s always been a hunger for for for for the long form and uh and and this we’re podcasting is right now you know the reason why. Sorry Snyder was upon podcast. Yeah, and now we’re putting podcasts on Netflix and every everything’s come all the way around again. You know, if I could get you Tom Snyder in his prime and go, hey, he’s going to do it an hour and a half once a week deep dive podcast and we’ll shoot it and throw it on Netflix.

Yeah, okay, great, sign them up. Yep. Absolutely. By the way, Jay Leno also, I don’t think he did the way Dave did. Jay Leno did evolve as a as a as a talk show host, you know, the stand up comedian.

I mean, yes, he was phenomenal. That was his That was what brought him to the dance as a stand up and as a joke machine and whatnot. But he did get better at communicating with people, not even close to where Dave is, of course, But but but the thing that differentiates to me people ask me that sometimes about their their their interview skills as at their best. This is something Shecky told me from the very beginning in fact CHECKI even said this to me that the day that I got my picture, my letter and picture signed and whatnot, there was a there was a small window opportunity where I could have met him, And Shecky said this to me. He goes, if Dave’s curious about you, it’s gonna be great.

And and Dave had this way when he had people across from him that he was having conversations with, a curiosity would come out. And I think there was an everyman curiosity that came out where when it was Jay, it felt manufactured. It felt like he was asking questions off of a card as opposed to a genuine curiosity connection that was created. So that’s in my mind, that’s something I’ve wanted to say on the show for a long time because people ask me about that all the time. I think that’s a major major difference between the two.

Did you ever encounter j back in the day. No, I’ve never met Jay. I would love to get him on the podcast. It’s funny if you asked me, like, you know, who do like if Dave Chappelle were available, of course I’m gonna say yes to Dave Chappelle, you know, any of. The big comedians.

But for the people who I really want to talk to, I think right now I would love to talk to Jay Leno and do a version of my bit and just break that whole thing down with him. Oh god, it would be so good. It would be so good because the guy does deserve credit, like like like, and it’s it’s his generosity as well. Is just it’s crazy, his generosity, you know, he’s He’s accused sometimes of being self aggrandizing. I think sometimes when you do as many good things as as as as you do, and if you’re not careful and not saying that there might not be some you know, some marketing involved or whatever to promote things that that could be there.

But that being said, when you do so many good things, many times you might get tagged with that. But every single person that I’ve ever talked to who have ever said something about Jay Leno’s generosity, and it’s I don’t know, more than more than ten. They talk about him being this kind, giving but very high level. You know, he plays at a high level when it comes to writing jokes and making jokes and things. But the man himself, you know, very very he’s he’s he’s an amazing American.

And uh, you know, I’m glad, I’m so, I’m glad you’re poking fun at this and bringing it to people’s attention. But yeah, people shitting on Jay Leno at this day and age, I don’t know if there’s a huge need to it. Making fun that’s completely different making fun of him, But people who come across with anger that’s not cool. Well sure, and as a comedian, he would appreciate you making fun of him, you know. And again, you know, for some reason I got on this raidar Hey, this guy is making fun of you, saying you’re the worst person who ever lived, and then you actually listen to the bit I’m doing.

Yeah, you know, I’m clearly not saying he’s a horrible, horrible person. Now, the other white whale guest I would like to get is Robert Smigel, who I think it’s quietly been the influence in comedy in the last thirty years. He’s not really in front of the camera. But boy, you look at the stuff that guy’s attached to, and there’s a Hall of Fame career. Absolutely.

Yeah, that guy might be you know, and it might be by design. Maybe he does like flying under the radar a little bit, you know, for being someone as big as he is. You know, the guy’s a legend. The guy is an absolute you know. I was watching The Downy Dock and I mean, you’ve got some of these people who come along who are just they transcend, you know.

They the people who create new things and the people who imitate those things that have just been created that people love, but they just do a little bit of a different thing, you know, to it. Smigle’s a guy that actually kicked the ball down the field. I was watching Christmas Time for the Jews the Darlene Love So and I said, no Christmas Special, and I just like his cartoons, like like that is one of the funniest things I’ve ever seen. And my wife walked in the room while it was on, and she heard the she heard the hook, and she heard Darlene say Christmas Time for the Jews and she started. She just sat there and she started looking at it.

And I don’t know if Candy had seen it before or not, but she doesn’t love comedy the way that I do. And she just looks at it and goes, what year was this maid? And I told her, geez, like, how do you come up with that? Like? How does Robert Smiel come up with some of the crazy things and the tonnage of it?

Like there’s just that’s just the way that he thinks and it. Yeah, that’s a great that’s a great poll. I’m glad you brought that up. You ready for Are you ready for? Number?

Okay? So are we done with? Oh? No? One of the thing with Leno Adam Sandler.

One of the things that Adam Sandler did that I loved because it goes back to Adam Sandler. I watched Adam Sandler’s last special, his most recent special. Okay now, in it, he does a song. Can you believe that he does a song? He actually does a song.

Oh. The song is a tribute to comedy and the things that influenced his life and his you know, it’s all it’s all comedians and stuff. And as I was watching and I’m like, Oh, I forget where he talks about because I know Letterman’s in there for him, because Letterman’s a huge influence, and he’s going through the song and he’s going through these people, all of these things, and it’s so clever the way that he puts those guys in it. He the line is Leno on Letterman. And there’s a picture that shows up and it’s exactly what you’re referring to.

It’s Jay on panel with Dave on Late Night. And that’s the way that Sandler tributes them that it’s Leno on Letterman, and that’s the that’s the thing. It’s not the twenty two years the guy who succeeded Johnny Carson, but he did that. He did that. And for those who want to say I like Dave over j that’s fine, but don’t take the respect away.

The guy followed Carson and did it for decades, well done, Jay Leno. But it also has a panel guest uh yep, talk show hosts, radio hosts, Jerk’s doing a podcast in their basement. Hate when you ask a question and somebody goes into their bit. Now, clearly you just teed me up to do the Letterman bit. So I’m guilty.

The leto get I’m guilty, but we’re having a real conversation here, right, I’m not just doing material. But Jay on let did material. You know, it would be like, hey, Jay, what’s going on? Jave, let me tell you what’s going on?

And then wouldn’t just go into the act.

But somehow kept Letterman engaged. Dave didn’t just check out and be like, Okay, he’s doing his four minutes, what’s my beef? And uh it was fantastic again to Chris Elliott version of it. I just pick nails the. Essence of it with Dave though it’s the curveballs because yeah, he was staying curious and staying because he might throw a curveball at Git in the middle of it, and you didn’t know how much of it.

Like that’s the thing, oh, I And the segment it’s so crazy, John, like like like the segment producers are the most secretive of all the people I’ve talked to so far, Like some of them I’ve talked to in the background but won’t even come on the show. And and but whatever I asked the questions, Okay, so like what lines did you give to you know this starlet who comes out and and and and Dave tees up a perfect question and she answers it and it gets a huge laugh. Well, guess what many times that starlet did not come up with that clever, clever line. It was a segment producer, you know before who did it. And I love talking about they don’t.

A lot of them are like magicians. They do not want to reveal. They don’t want to reveal what lines they gave away or how they don’t want to break down the mechanics of how things work. The Leno Letterman ones, to me, were astounding because you don’t know where the material ends. And the banter, the real banter begins with those two.

And there’s only a few guests where you can say that for and Jay is probably the top of the heap. You know, you’re reminded this is a total tangent, but you just when you talked about the magic behind a curtain. If you’ve ever seen Jackie Gleason on sixty minutes, I think it’s with Morley Safer and he’s talking about, oh you got to watch this, dude. Yeah, he starts talking about why. The Honeymooners is revered and Jackie talks about the characters and tells a story where they’re in rehearsal and the sketch that they’re gonna do just isn’t flying, and Carney says, how about this, I’ll walk in, I’ll call you fat, you throw me out of the apartment, and they were like, let’s just do that, and they sort of improved.

Maybe not a full honeymoon Er his episode from the classic thirty nine, but one of the sketches and just like, okay, we all know what to do here, we all know who these characters are. Let’s just do it. It’s a wonderful episode of sixty minutes you’ll find online. Yeah, well that’s okay. And that’s Dave in his testament to his longevity, because you know, after he stopped doing rehearsals, after he stopped, you know, you know, he starts slowing down a little bit, but the show must go on.

His last years of Late Show, they were relying on the whimsy of what happens in the moment. They were relying on the on the inspiration. Now again, you know, we were talking about, you know, a guy with one of the greatest wits of all time. But it’s like, no, let’s rely on it as opposed to overproducing things, right, And they did. They let things get looser.

Well, before you hit record, you started to tell me something and I said save it for the air. And that comes out of my radio training. Especially if you do a morning show. You don’t want to do the show in the hall at four forty five am. So did you see the super Bowl?

Up? We’ll talk about it on the air like you You can’t because the second time you do it is never as natural. I openly talk about on my podcast anytime there’s a you know, top ten late night hosts. You didn’t send me the list. I don’t want to see the list.

I want to react to it as we go along because I don’t you know, I have a guess who you think number one is, but maybe you don’t. And when you’re like number four, David Letterman, I want to go, whoa, you. Haven’t number four? Oh my god? All right, who’s left on the list?

Or right, it’s gonna be Johnny and wow, you don’t have quote part number two? Like I want to be able to do that. Where so if you send me the list, I look at it and go okay. When he talks about going in I’ll say this. Yep, there you go, and and and that’s the best.

Like I I say that about with pre interviews, you know, with many the many of the guests who come on, I can just say, Okay, is there anything you want me to avoid? Is there anything you want me to make sure I hit?

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All right, let’s go and uh.

And it’s a lot of fun doing that. Boy, we’re just flying through this list. Huh. We got so chatty. I gotta cut this in two, so we’ll come back tomorrow with the rest of the list.

I’ll see you then.

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Featured: Joe Koy, Bill Burr, Nate Bargatze, Ego Nwodim, Josh Johnson, Dan Soder

What’s in This Episode

• Joe Koy recording Netflix special at Stockton arena
• Bill Burr YouTube engagement decline and Saudi Arabia backlash
• Nate Bargatze ending Nateland podcast after five years
• Ego Nwodim hosting 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards at SXSW
• Distractable podcast success and iHeart Awards nominations
• Josh Johnson on hip-hop influence in comedy
• Dan Soder feud with Troy Aikman over Miami Dolphins

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media. Hey, Jenny Mack with your Daily Comedy News. Yesterday was a little angsty, but Johnny Mac is here to bring the fun back. And who’s more fun than Joe Cooy. That’s right, Joe Cooy is recording a Netflix special this weekend.

That’s pretty cool. Two shows tonight somewhere at eight o’clock at the Adventist Health Arena in Stockton. Jason Perry is the general manager, and he said, to have a globally recognized comedian and choose our arena in our community for a project of this scale speaks volumes about the market, the fans, and the experience we deliver. Now, if you’re saying to yourself, Johnny Mac, Joe Koy, that name sounds familiar. Who’s he again?

Can you remind us? So? Sure, I’ll remind you. Joe Coy hosted the Golden Globes for one year, and when he did, he just told this horrible, mean joke about Taylor Swift. She did not appreciate this vicious, horrible joke at all.

She made a stoneface, didn’t laugh the way Leo DiCaprio did it jokes about him. No, she let Joe cooin O, this is not funny. As you know. We came on after a football doubleheader. The big difference between the Golden Globes and the NFL.

On the Golden Gloves, we have fewer camber shots of Taylor Swift. I saw this on threads. Somebody posted Bill Burr’s audience is still roasting him NonStop in his YouTube comments over that comedy show in Saudi Arabia. His videos get about four times as many dislikes as likes now and I was curious about this, So let’s start with the comments. I’m here on YouTube.

It is Bill Burr’s episode titled Siantle EarPods Drugs from one nine to twenty six. One commenter wrote, damn lost thirty thousand viewers l L. Another wrote Bill thinks he’s George Carlin, but he’s really George Costanza. Another bill never forgot what was like to be on the streets because whenever he moves up a floor, he buys a stronger telescope. Another comment one point five million dollars from Trump and Bill will be performing for the oil rig workers in Venezuela in no time.

Wow, Bill Burr is everything he made for one of ten years ago. Total lack of self awareness. Next, Old Billy, Keep ignoring it and it’ll go away, Burr. Next one, This is brutal every time. Just address it and move on.

Next, Bill, stop acting like you’re a blue collar person. You get the idea. So I looked at the numbers again. The premise of the Threads post is that his numbers are quite down, so I went back. Now, understand that a video will have a long tail, right, so the longer that it’s up, people will discover it more and more over time, So it makes sense that an older episode has more views than a newer episode, and these are YouTube views.

Probably know on the audio side, Bill Burr’s podcast numbers are way up. They could be ten times up. We have no way of knowing that, but I just randomly needle dropped on a few episodes from February twentieth, twenty twenty five. That video has sixty three thousand views. One from June ninth has forty two thousand, one from November seventh, which should have a long tail by now, has twenty two thousand, and the January ninth video had twenty thousand and change.

So make of that what you will. I was curious how other podcasts do Again, the January nine Bilburg has twenty thousand, and I was like, how does Nateland do. The nate Land podcast from January fourteenth has thirteen, eight hundred and seventy five yews, which is not a lot, like really really not a lot. But as part of that I found out maybe everybody else knew this already. I somehow missed this.

The Nateland podcast is ending. Nate Burghetzi is stepping away from the Nateland Podcast. He told listeners that after roughly five years and nearly three hundred episodes, it’s time to focus on his next act movies, TV, and yes, the theme park. I think Nate is crazy, but you know, I’m doing this in the basement and he’s building a theme park, so maybe I’m the crazy one. Nate says, everything I’m trying to do going forward is I want you to be able to do it with your family.

As I record this, there should be one more Nateland with Nate coming and then the rest of the gang I think is going to continue on the same feed, but with a new name on the podcast.

Speaking of podcasting, ego Nuotam Will host the twenty twenty six iHeart Pod…

Yes, once again celebrities will take over podcasting. People are still all I rate that Amy Pohler won the Golden Globe when now it’s the iHeart Podcast Award. Nominees for Podcast of the Year include Amy Poehler, The Reakfast Club, The Mel Robins Podcast, and Pablo Torri finds out The Daily The Rest is History this past weekend with Theo Vaughn call Her Daddy, Heavyweight, and Giggly Squad. I’m going to root for. Pablo Tory finds out the best Comedy Podcast.

The nominees are good hang with Amy Poehler, The Toast, Handsome, The Basement Yard, and something called Distractable. Now, if the rest of you were like, yeah, John, we all know distractable. What is wrong with you? I had to look it up and I’ll remind you as much as I suck. I host this every day, and I work in podcasting and blog and write and consu and everything about podcasting all day long when I’m not doing this, And I was like, what is distractable?

And apparently it is a comedy podcast with guy’s name Mark, Wade and Bob and it’s a space to have thoughtful discussions about funny out there or otherwise interesting stories from everyday life. They’ve got almost a million followers on YouTube. Let’s see how they’re doing versus Bill Burr. Okay, their most recent episode from six days ago has one hundred and thirty four thousand views. One from three weeks ago has one hundred and seventy thousand views.

So distractable is I don’t know. Somebody do the math? Seven times as popular as Bill Burr right now? Is that what we’re saying? Anyway, Congratulations to those guys on both being successful and somehow never coming up once in seven years of show prep on this show.

There were a lot of shows out there. I’m gonna root for them. Hope they win Best Comedy, Best Ad Read nominees Conan Call Her, Daddy, my Brother, my Brother, and Me, Dudes on Dudes, and Distractable, Okay, Best Host, Amy Poehler, Pablo Torri, Alex Cooper, Emma Chamberlain, Caleb Hron, Yougo, Pablo XXL caught up with Josh Johnson. They were curious how hip hop influences the comedy world. Josh said, a lot of comics wish that they were rappers.

Even the trouble you see comics getting into. Sometimes you’ll like, you’re trying to be a rapper, that’s what’s happening. There’s no reason for a comedian to get shot. Their comedian is getting caught up like they’re really about that life and they’re like, why you do jokes? How are you moving that you ended up getting shot in the thigh?

I mean, that’s not funn Why are you laughing, Johnny Mackle, someone got shot in the thigh and you’re laughing. You’re a jerk. Johnny Mac’s the worst. He’s no Jay Leno, but he’s pretty bad. XXL asked Josh.

What about hip hop inspires your approach to comedy. Josh said, I approach comedy the way I imagine a lot of rappers approach hip hop. It’s a very narcissistic endeavor to get up on stage and feel like you have the most to say and you really deserve to be there. You have to believe it’s true. Even if you have a humble approach to the craft, you have to believe that you’re one of the best to do it and then put that belief into your work.

As for rappers that you think would make good stand up comics, Eminem for timing, he’s good at timing, fifty cent for content. The way he roast, it’s like it’s coming from a place that’s so deeply funny. When he goes in on somebody, it’ll be like, Wow, this is crazy, this is what a comic would do. Good interview there, Dan Soder. He’s friends with former Miami Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel, and Dan Soder is really upset at Troy Aikman.

Soder was on the Soder podcast Let’s see how that’s doing all right? The Dan Soder podcast, episode one fourteen, posted two days ago, has one hundred and seventy one thousand views. So back to the original premise of Bill Burr Wow, or maybe people just don’t like Bill Burr’s podcast. I don’t know something’s going on. Everybody else has numbers way bigger than Bill Burr.

Right now, I digress. Dan Soder was on the Soder podcast Good Booking, and he ripped Dolphin’s owner Stephen Ross, calling mister Ross an old F word and claimed that Troy Aikman, who’s been brought in as an unpaid advisor for Miami’s GM search was behind Mike McDaniel’s firing. Soder said of his friend McDaniel, in fact, I think he’s better off because I think it’s a crappy organization. He said. McDaniel has been his buddy since the seventh grade.

As for the Dolphins, I think it’s ran by an old f that stabbed Mike in the back after he told him he was gonna be right for another season and f the Dolphins. Mike McDaniel coached the Dolphins for four years. He went thirty five and thirty four, did not win any playoff games. He was fired sixteen months after he signed a three year extension. He’ll be okay financially.

I guess wonder how much money made. Let’s look that up Sports Illustrated reports. While exact figures are unknown, it’s estimated to be at three and a half to four and a half million dollars, with some reports saying eighteen million dollars. As part of his extension internet account. ML Football broke it down and according to them, Mike McDaniel will make thirty plus thousand dollars per day to not coach football games.

They broke it down again. I don’t have then and trusting these guys per month nine hundred and sixteen grand per minute, twenty dollars and ninety three cents. So while you’re listening to this podcast today, Mike McDaniel made a couple hundred bucks, so he’ll be all right, Dan Soder, you gotta let this one go. Now, how is Troy Aikman to blame for all this? Soder said, when you watch football as a fan, you notice when broadcasters are slanted for or against you.

Having a friend that’s an NFL coach, you listen more and people talk about your friend, and Troy Aikman craps on McDaniel in a way that’s like he doesn’t like Mike. Now, apparently Troy Aikman was critical of the Dolphins strategy during a recent Monday night football loss to the Steelers. The Dolphins lost that game at twenty eight to fifteen as they trailed Haul of Famer. Troy Aikman, who has won three Super Bowls themselves, said this is just a bizarre last few series. They don’t go hurry up.

Now they’re going hurry up and calling timeouts. It’s hard to understand exactly what the philosophy is or what they’re trying to do. Late Night are caught up with Rob Burnett. You may know Rob from being the head writer and executive producer on David Letterman’s late show. Night Or asked Rob, if Letterman was still at it during Trump two point zero, what would Dave be up to?

Rob said, I think Dave would be part of the conversation. He’s always been a person to speak his mind. When we weren’t doing political comedy a lot, I don’t think it was necessary. I don’t think politics occupied the consciousness of America the way it does now. Interesting here that Letterman learned a lesson when he tried to steer away from what America was talking about.

Burnett said, Dave didn’t make OJ jokes. Dave thought, I’m not going to make fun of a murder, but it was what the country was interested in. It hurt the show, and he started to make OJ jokes. Nowadays, it’s obvious what the country is interested in. Burnett said, I don’t know if I would be equipped to write a Colbert Kimmel Stewart monologue, but someone would, and I think Dave would be doing that.

We’ll come back to OJ jokes in a second. But Late Nights commented on did you see President Trump flipped the guy the bird the other day? Yeah, the President was visiting a Ford factory and flipped the middle figure at an auto worker who called the president a pedophile protector. Steve on Colbert and his writers with some grit eat stuff here. Colbert said, the man could have shouted pedophile, but until the full Epstein files released, that’s just an unverified claim, whereas pedophile protector is fairly in evidence at this point.

And that’s the kind of attention to detail you can expect in your f one fifty. Great, great joke, it’s a funny tag. The premise is great solid. That is a fantastic piece of material. Colbert also said, we were told there would be Epstein files.

In fact, you Trump presumably signed a law mandating that you’d have to release the Epstein files by the middle of last month, but you still haven’t. It kind of makes you seem like, what’s the phrase a pedophile protector? Back to OJ jokes, Remember Jay Leno, He used to make a lot of OJ jokes, and that guy’s the worst. No, I don’t mean OJ, I mean Jay Leno. I mean the way he comments on late nights sometimes until Jo just bringing the fun back today did.

And this guy the way he just he talks about late night comedy and takes care of his wife, Mavis. They’ve been married for forty five years and she battles dementia. This guy, he’s the worst. Jay Leno told Maria Shreiver. You take a vow when you get married, and people are stunned, they’re shocked when you live up to it.

My favorite thing. This is the most Hollywood thing. Guy said to me, So you’re gonna get a girlfriend now, and Leno said, no, I have a girlfriend. I’m married. We’ve been married forty five years.

You know what I mean. We’re kind of in this together. You can’t go, honey, I’ll be with my girlfriend. I’ll be back, Leader Leno till driver. He’s just doing the right thing because you’re supposed to.

That kind of used to be the norm.

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And then when he strayed, that was the out of the whack part.

Now, the out of the whack part is fairly common, and staying and doing what you’re supposed to do is stunning to people. Why don’t you do that? Well, we kind of made a deal. Jay shrugged off the quote unquote toll that people assume it takes on Jay, he explained, I really haven’t been tested in my life. I wasn’t in the army.

I didn’t have to shoot anybody. So this is that thing. I’m glad of passing the test because you never quite know what you’re gonna do in that situation or any situation. So I’d like to think I made the right decision. As for Mavis, she’s not forgetting me.

That hasn’t happened yet. She seems extremely comfortable now, and she seems happy, and she seems contented. It’s actually okay. It’s good. I enjoy taking care of her.

Jay Leno the worst this weekend. On this the very program, Mike Chisholm from The Letterman Podcast drops by Mike had a list of the top ten late night hosts of all time, and they wanted me to react to it, and I reacted to it so much we wound up talking for like two hours. So we’ll split those conversations in half. I can tell you how long the episodes are. They’re already loaded.

Looks like you’re getting about thirty eight minutes on Saturday and forty minutes on Sunday, plus commercials now. I always forget to do this. If you want the commercials to go away, here’s what we do. You on Apple Podcasts and it’ll say uninterrupted listening, and you click that banner and then for five bucks a month, no commercials. Great way to sport the show and the commercials go away.

You do have to use the Apple podcast hap, but that’s a great way to do it and even more transparent. I can’t auto set that. It’s the bane of my existence. My host and company refuses to set this up the way some other hosts. Habita tries movie nanas.

So the show normally comes out of three oh five Eastern every day, but for the commercial free version, I have to make annually do that. So when I get up in the morning, the first thing I think is, oh, I got to upload the show. My wife tries to talk to me, and I go, I have to upload the show, and normally it’s there by like seven fifteen am Easter in the commercial free versions anyway, So if you don’t want any commercials, do that Apple Podcasts click uninterrupted listening. Great way to support the show. So this weekend, Mike and I talk about his top ten late night hosts of all time.

Monday morning Normal episode, and then Monday at noon Eastern Time, the Comedy Survivor results. Voting is now closed for this week.

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And now let’s check in with Burt Reynolds and the Comedy stock Market.

Comedy stock Markets. I’ve got some new listeners to the show, so let me just explain this once one more time. Here what we do, so every week we buy and sell stock in comedians. Now, this is not saying somebody is good or bad. The idea of the comedy stock market is to make a profit.

Sell high, buy low. So that’s why we’re going to sell Nikki Glaser. Oh she’s fantastic, she’s at peak right now. But you sell hih and you buy low. Let’s get out on Nikki Glaser.

Cash in our money, go buy a beach house with her Nikki Glaser money. We did really well there, but it’s time to sell Nikki Glaser. Now we’ll take some of that money and let’s buy some Trevor Noah, the Grammys are coming up. People haven’t really noticed that Trevor Noahs about to resurface. He’s very charismatic.

He always does a great job. So let’s buy a little Trevor Noah. Let’s sell bow and Yang. Do we even have any Bowen Yang stock left? If we do, let’s sell it.

I am not sure at all what his post SNL career is going to be. I’m struggling to figure out what it is. He’s got lost culturistas. He had a bad week earlier in the week when people tried to cancel him. I’m just not sure where we were heading with Bowen Yang.

So let’s just sell out. Let’s also sell Pete Davidson. Yes, I’m upset that they’re calling that thing a podcast. It’s not a podcast. It is a television show that you watch on Netflix.

In no way whatsoever is that a podcast. But that beside the point. I don’t trust Pete day Davidson. I feel like Pete Davidson goes, hey, look at me, and then everybody looks at him, and then he walks away from things. I understand he struggles with mental health.

I wish the man well, but I don’t trust that Pete Davidson’s about to host one hundred episodes of this television show. So I want no part of it. Let’s sell our Pete Davidson, Let’s sell our Tignataro. She’s one of the comedians, along with Genias Sheer and Patton Oswalt, who have helped to destroy the Star Trek brand. Tignatario is on this horrible, horrible, horrible Starfleet Academy show.

You think I’m kidding about how goofed up that brand? Is? I just looked they put the premiere episode up on YouTube. It’s got twenty thousand views, twenty thousand for Star Trek? Are you kidding me?

So, Tignatario, you’re part of the problem. We’ll sell our Tignataro. And you know who we’re gonna buy, Joe Rogan. I feel like Joe Rogan has come around and he sees what’s going on, and he’s realizing it’s all insane. And Joe Rogan’s got a big enough platform to say something about it.

Whatever you think of Rogan or not, he’s got a big platform. And I feel like Joe has seen the light. So we’re gonna sell Nikki, sell Bowen, sell Pete Davidson, sell Tignazaro by Trevor by Rogan speaking of Tignatarro Out Magazine talk to her about the horrible Starfleet Academy show. I guess Tig is now a coach. She was an engineer in the Discovery episodes that she was actually in, and then there’d be some weeks her character, who is the chief engineer, just like wouldn’t be in it for some reason, conspiciously absent.

I don’t know what was going on there. I guess she’s a touring comedian. Apparently she teaches it Starfleet Academy now and Out magazine was curious how far is the particular role of coach from the real Tignazarro. Tig said, I always joked that I’m just tigging space. Oh, by the way, she was on Kimmel the other day and she did the Vulcan hand salute and she said she didn’t know what it was called, and I wanted to just smash my television.

Did Johnny Mac takes his Star Trek very very seriously? Tignataris said, I always joked I’m just taking space. But the reality is I don’t really like loud noises, so whistle is out ALMOSTO a high school dropout, So I think my teaching skills might be terribly lacking. Well, I love the idea of being this confident, whistleblowing, clipboard holding tough guy. Real life Meat would probably be like, yeah, you’re all doing great.

I assume jet Reno her character has real authority. I have quiet and dry observations. So same tig at different galaxy, wildly different comfort level with sports equipment. Tracy Morgan fans, pay attention. NBC woke up out of bed and decided, you know what, let’s do a special early premiere of Tracy Morgan’s new comedy, The Fall and Rise of Reggie Dinkins.

Yes, a hilarious new comedy will make its debut Sunday at ten Eastern or so, following coverage of the playoff game between the Los Angeles Rams and the Chicago Bears. Then when you’re all excited about that show, you’ll have to wait till Monday, February twenty third, when they’ll rerun that episode and then follow it up with a new episode of The Fall and Rise of Reggie Dinkins. And that is your comedy news for today. All right, Tomorrow, Mike and I talk of Late Night ho that was a normal episode on Monday you have an awesome weekend. I’ll see around

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Featured: Pete Davidson, Taylor Tomlinson, Bobby Lee, Bob the Drag Queen, Nikki Glaser, Sarah Silverman, Bill Burr, Ali Wong, Jamie Foxx, Nate Bargatze, Jay Leno, Trevor Noah

What’s in This Episode

• Pete Davidson Netflix ‘Podcast’ controversy and garage show launch
• Taylor Tomlinson Netflix special ‘Prodigal Daughter’ announcement
• Bobby Lee Hulu comedy special
• Bob the Drag Queen special ‘This Is Wild’
• Amazon Prime Video animated series ‘Odd Jobs’ pickup
• Grammy Awards Best Comedy Album nominations
• Trevor Noah hosting the Grammys
• Jay Leno on modern comedy and cultural satire

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media. Today’s gonna be engsty. I’m gonna try and keep it fun, but I’m not sure I’m gonna succeed. Hello, I’m Johnny Mac with your Daily Comedy News. I’ve played with the show order several times today and I’m like, all right, let me start with the fun stuff up first before we really get to it.

But even this first story annoys me. From Netflix, the headline Pete Davidson to host new weekly video podcast from his garage. No, I’ll push back on that headline in a minute, but first, let me tell you the story from the Netflix site. When Saturday Night Live Along, Pete Davidson heads into his garage, turns on some cameras and starts talking to his friends. You might think he’s fixing his car or trying to find a hammer.

Not in Davidson’s case, He’s filming a podcast for Netflix, which feature candid no holds bars conversations. I’m trying not to jump in here, or I keep going on the Pete Davidson Show. A new video podcast Yeah, will be exclusive on Netflix starting Friday, January thirtieth at twelve oh one am Pacific Standard times. Let me translate that, so that means it comes out Friday at three am on the East Coast c watch it on Friday’s episodes drop every week. Pete will shoot the podcast primarily from his garage, where all the best conversations happen, but he will occasionally take the show on the road.

Pete said, Netflix was the home of one of my first stan Up specials, so it felt right to bring the podcast there too. It’s me and my friends talking about anything and everything. It’s going to be a great time. It’s good that you feel that way about Netflix. Remember you had a show on Peacock and you walked away from it.

People lost their jobs, Pete, remember that one. Remember Lauren Michaels, he was good to you. But hey, Netflix, they’re making quote unquote podcast now. Now, as a podcaster, this has me up in arms. Listen to me write this down.

In no way whatsoever is this thing a podcast. This is a TV show. It may be a very inexpensively produced TV show, it may be a casual TV show, but this is in no way a podcast. Because I will refer to you to Netflix’s own language, exclusively available on Netflix. That’s not a podcast.

That’s a Netflix show. Is Stranger Things a podcast that’s available exclusively on Netflix? Why isn’t Stranger Things a podcast? Clearly Stranger Things as a podcast, is it not? So this just as a podcaster annoys me?

That aside? Should we just start taking bets on when Pete Davison walks away from this, because he does have a history of walking away from projects, and I wish him well and it alway struggles with mental health. But I’m just looking at this and I got my podcast nose at a whack on this story. But how long is Pete Ashley going to do this? We’ll find out.

We’ll be tracking this tolligence. Today’s going to be angsty. That’s not even the angsty part, that’s the fun part. Taylor Tomison has inked a deal for another Netflix special, this one called Prodigal Daughter. It will premiere February twenty fourth.

It is Taylor Thomason’s fourth for Netflix. Prodigal Daughter was taped at Fountain Street Church in Grand Rapids, Michigan. Bobby Lee, now we’re gonna find out if his career has peaked because he is due doing a stand up special on Hulu. And you know, Johnny Max’s theory on hularious specials. When you get a special on Hulu, you might be a little past your peak.

Now here’s a name to keep your eye on, Nikki Glaser. We’re at peak Nikki Glaser. Now. Everyone including me is favorable towards Nikki Glaser right now. But her next special will be on Hulu.

We’ll see how the hilarious chinks goes for Nikki Glaser. I Digress. Bobby Lee is getting a special on Hulu. No description, no release date, but it did make the trades. Bobby Lee’s filming the special at the Balboa Theater in San Diego this weekend and now tomorrow on Hulu.

Bob the Drag Queen has a comedy special. It’s called This Is Wild. Brian volkwis he’s a good guy, worked with him in the past. He’s one of the producers over at Comedy Dynamics. He said.

Bob’s new special is absolutely hilarious front to back. Bob is one of those performers that seems to have been born for the stage and that shines through in her new special. Brian really knows comedy, so I respect that opinion a lot. Oh, while I’m throwing. Today, Amazon Prime Video has picked up the animated comedy series Odd Jobs.

In Odd Jobs the years twenty twenty seven, the world was in an extreme late stage capitalist hellscape. The show follows a reluctant team of gig workers as they travel around the neo Midwest doing the weirdest, most dangerous things the Odd Jobs app demands. Here’s my problem with this one. One of the co creators is Mike McMahon, who’s that he’s one of the people involved with Kurtzman’s Star Trek. Now he made the Lower Deck series, which a lot of people like, and I just can’t stand because it doesn’t belong in Star Trek.

I like Rick and Morty. I like Star Trek. I don’t need the two to cross. So he’s on my list of comedy people destroying Star Trek. So Mike McMahon, Paton Oswald, who play Dug the Vulcan, don’t get me started, take Nataro part of that horrible Star Trek discovery, and Gina is Sheer is part of this new terrible Starfleet Academy show.

Don’t even Starve Me. I mentioned Trevor Noah is hosting the Grammys, and I was like, did I ever do the story of the Grammy nominations? And I looked and I’m like, oh, it came out the day I flew to go visit my daughter and got into the airport at two am. I think I may have missed this one, and that is why it was a Friday, and I had pre taped the weekend, and like I said, I got it very late. So it was probably that or a couple of weeks away from the Grammys.

But the nominations for Best Comedy Album, and by Best Comedy Album, the Grammys people mean best TV special. Wanet impress me put out a CD. I’ve gotten on that soapbox for years and years and years now. Anyway, the Grammys define comedy album as things containing greater than seventy five percent playing time of new recordings, so the word there was recording as opposed to me, who would like, you know, an album album like Born in the USA. That’s an album that’s not a Netflix special, although Netflix would probably say Born in the USA as a podcast.

I digress. Your nominees are drop Dead Years by Bill Burr, now post Mortem by Sarah Silverman, That should win. Single Lady by Ali Wong my former co worker Jamie Fox is what had happened was and Nate Brighetzi’s your friend, Nate Burghetzie. I would pick Sarah out of that group? And who the academy will pick?

I have no idea. All right, onto the feisty stuff. See that was the happy part of today’s podcast. Really, John, Yeah, really, onto the feisty stuff. Jay Leno, that guy’s the worst.

He says. Modern comedy is overshadowed by the outrageous society we live in. As if Jay Leno knows anything about performing stand up comedy, has he ever been on a stage. Jay was on Maria Shriver’s podcast and said, you know, people always say, oh, I bet you missed it with Trump being president. No, not really.

It’s like shooting fish in a barrel. You know, you kind of do it. Psychologists used to say the punchline of the joke would be like, that’s like the president with a stripper. Okay, now the president’s with strippers. Shriver asked if Jay Leno envied today’s late night scene or if he was glad he wasn’t part of it.

Jay said, I mean, you can’t. We live in a society where there’s nothing you could say that’s so outrageous because comedy comes from a place of conservatism. You start with a sort of moral high ground. Jay told an anecdote about performing at a prison. I had an act about meeting women.

You know, I said, you know, when you see a girl you’re not quite sure how to approach her. This guy yees out, Just put her in the face and effort and they all cheer, and I go, okay, I’m playing a prison. The idea of approaching and being it just made me laugh because the culture wars of the prisoner are not really the same ones I’m dealing with here. Shreiver said. It was like what used to be off limits it is now real, and what it was shocking is now every day.

Lenel said, That’s why it’s fun to go the other way. I’d just like to work clean because it requires a bit more thought and it makes it trickier. We have it in a society now where people just whatever they’re into. There’s an audience for that, and you just play to that audience. Jay says his ticket sales have gone up since taking politics out of his act.

I’m on the road a lot. It just took politics out of it completely. I know ticket sales are up twenty thirty per cent just because nobody wants to be lectured, So like, I get it, and I disagree.

And now we’re up to the angsty part of the show.

And I know, I know this next section might cost me some listeners, but like, I’ll try and do this through the lens of comedy. But I got to tell you what’s bugging me. And I’m of the belief if you have a show, whether it’s a dopey podcast in your basement or it’s an eleven thirty show on a network, you got to use your platform sometimes when you have it. One person using his platform is Joe Rogan. Joe Rogan has compared some of the recent stories involving Ice to the Gestapo, and that got me thinking the president losing Joe Rogan is like the ridiculous twenty twenty six version of LBJ losing Kronkite, Like comparing Joe Rogan to Cronkite is like comparing any other president to this one if you’re not familiar.

In nineteen sixty eight, Walter Cronkite on The News said, it seems now more certain than ever that the bloody experience of Vietnam is to end in a stalemate. This is nineteen sixty eight. To say we are closer to victory today is to believe, in the face of evidence the optimists who have been wrong in the past. To suggest we’re on the edge of defeat is to yield to unreasonable pessimism. To say that we are mired in a stalemate seems the only realistic and yet unsatisfactory conclusion.

It is increasingly clear to this reporter that the only rational way out, then will be to negotiate not as but an honorable people who lived up to their pledge to defend democracy and did the best they could. So that’s when LBJ lost Cronkite, And in twenty twenty six, I think the President of the United States has lost Joe Rogan. Now I’m sensitive to this story. I’ll tell you something from my little corner of the world. This from Eyewitness New seven.

They’re discussing a raid that happened over the weekend at a laundromat at Speedwell Avenue in Henry Street in Morristown, New Jersey. Now, I’ll tell you if I went out to my driveway and I threw a frisbee really hard and the wind caught it. It might land in the laundromat over by Morristown and Morristown High School. Ice rated a laundromat. One of the people rounded up was a seventeen year old who apparently has a four point two GPA at the high school.

The seventeen year olds being held at a federal detention facility. His brother said that the boy is very scared. He’s in pain for the injuries he has, and he’s worried about his family. Worried about his brother here and his mother back in Honduras. Two women say they spoke to a relative of one person who has taken.

I’m not sure if this is the boy or someone else. One of the women said he came in to do his laundry and his cousin told me he was taken. He was just cleaning his clothes and he was taken. A lot of people were taken. The eyewitnesses say that included the father of a six year old girl, and the child was left alone on the street until other adults stepped in.

Here’s Joe Rogan. I could also see the point of view of people who say, yeah, but you don’t want militarized people in the streets just roaming around snatching people up, many of which turn out to actually be US citizens. They just don’t have their papers on them. Are we really going to be to the Gestapo? Where’s your papers?

Is that what we’ve come to? So it’s more complicated than I think people want to admit. You know, people want to look at this as a black and white issue, you know, if you’re a compassionate person or if you’re a pragmatic person. And I don’t think that’s true. I think it’s both.

I’m with Joe, complicated issue, but really we’re just going to start knocking down doors and shooting people in the street. Now, sticking with Ice for a second from boy boying comedian Ben Palm. Motto is you can be anything, and over the years, Ben has pretended to be anything from GBT to cracker barrel to poke fun at right wing outrage. His latest thing is pretending to be an Ice agent. Here’s a quick clip.

I made a website for reporting illegal immigrants, and people end up on the site thinking that it’s real. And I talked to one lady who wanted to report every Uber driver that picked her up claiming that they’re all using fake driver’s licenses to work for Uber. And I listened to nothing and I thought about playing it, but with the people calling in, it just felt a little too awkward for me, and I didn’t want to go there. But you know, I like the premise of what he’s doing there. And while we’re being political, Noah Wiley was on The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.

Noah Wyley plays a doctor on the Pit. You may also know Noah Wiley from playing a doctor on Er many years ago. Anyway, I thought this was really on point. It’s a little long here, but here’s Noah Wiley into the break. The measles vaccine will turn your son into a furry, a pan sexual furry.

Hi. I’m Noah Wiley. I played doctor Michael Robbie Rabinovich on The Pit. I also played doctor. John Carter on The R.

But I am not a real doctor, just like most of you are not real doctors. I was cast because I have a trustworthy face and can convincingly deliver complicated medical lines like I’m sorry, mister whormath, I’m afraid that you have advanced phenol penaltyam Angler and round jam no I have no idea what I just said, but that doesn’t matter, because when it comes to medicine, I do my own research and I go with my gut. For instance, I know that raw milk is good for you, but raw chicken even better, especially when it comes in a smoothieck. I know that five G towers give you COVID and that vitamin C isn’t real. It was created by Tropicana to sell the use.

The flu vaccine will take four inches off your penis or vagina, and if you take probiotics and antibiotics at the same time, you will achieve the perfect level of biotics. Yes, hello, this is he Yes, I would be honored to head up the Center for Disease Control. No, thank you, mister President. Well, it looks like I’m ata expot After all, I’m Noah Wiley. Don’t do anything until I say it’s okay.

This has been a message from the CDC. You guys still with me? How many people did I lose? There?

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All right, let’s take a look at Comedy Survivor.

Are you playing Comedy Survivor? You go to the Facebook group which is Daily Comedy News podcast group. There’s a little uh drawing there of me extinguishing the torch of Amy Schumer. And you get to vote, and I’m just scrolling down here, I see Leslie Jones vote is crept in, Seth Meyers vote, A little bit of sailor action going on. I think Adam Sandler could go this week.

Now, Today is the final day of voting for week two, So head on over there to the Daily Comedy News podcast group on Facebook. Make your vote clear. Write down a name. Don’t make me think about it. If you want to vote off Joe Schmoe, write Joe Schmoe.

Now, Joe Schmoe is not one of the survivors. The remaining survivors are Sandler, Leno, Joe Koy, Gaffigan, Glazer, Seth Myers, Kevin Hart, Mulaney, Otsgo, Sebastian Tig, Sarah Silverman, Leslie Jones, Ron White, Bert Kreischer. Write down one of those names, and then what’s going to happen is at the end of the day today, the voting ends, and then tomorrow I’ll count the votes and I’ll produce up an episode, and then Monday at noon Eastern, I’ll drop a bonus episode telling you who’s out, and We’ll head on a week three comedy survivor in the Daily comed News podcast group. Kim Wayans has launched a new YouTube comedy series called Still Got It with Izzy Fabulous. It features Kim Wayns Aszy, a confident life coach navigating love, aging, and identity with humor.

The series is described as character driven. The first episode is titled Girl Listen to Assista and features her famous brother Sean Wayans as the director and producer. And I’ll leave you with some advice from Bert Krascher. His advice bust your ass and business so you can take your kids on vacation. Bert said, it’s not about the big house.

It’s about the experiences with your family and being able to do cool stuff with your kids, do cool stuff with your wife, being able to afford to send them to college. He said his favorite house he ever owned wasn’t the biggest. It was an eleven hundred square foot house that smelled like family and sounded like family. But even after making thirty three million dollars in a single year, Bert discovered, I guess my bills are paid. I don’t think i’d noticed between one hundred million and ten million somewhere there is good advice, but you know your head explodes that.

They’re like, uh, we only made thirty three million, okay, but he’s on point. Do cool stuff with your wife, do cool stuff with your family. Time goes by fast, and that is your comedy news for today. Weird one Today, See you tomorrow.

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Featured: Ricky Gervais, Jason Zeneman, Shane Gillis, John McKeever, Trevor Noah, Amy Poehler, Jerry Seinfeld, Dave Chappelle, Nikki Glaser, Thomas Hayden Church

What’s in This Episode

• Ricky Gervais’ Mortality wins Golden Globe for Best Stand-Up Comedy
• Jason Zeneman’s New York Times critique of Golden Globes comedy awards
• Shane Gillis signs new Netflix deal including Tires season three
• Grammy Awards moving from CBS to ABC with Trevor Noah returning as host
• CBS News revamp discussed by comedians on social media

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media. Hey there, I’m Johnny Mac with your Daily Comedy News. Friend of the show Jason Zeneman from the New York Times stirring it up. He threw down the gauntlet, and this is what people in comedy are talking about today. The headline from Jason Zenneman in the New York Times, did the worst Netflix special of the year win the Golden Globe?

The premise that Ricky Gervay’s Mortality won for Best Comedy sends a message about the lack of respect given to stand up now. I personally don’t agree with Jason that it was the worst Netflix special of the year. I’m sure if we dove a little bit, we could find a special that was worse than that one. And I’ll stick to my guns here. On my personal list, I had Jervas at number eleven.

Let’s hear Jason out here. I respect him a lot. Jason sets up his premise, awards are silly, harmless fun unless someone gives one to me, and they are solemn business deserving of respect. That’s been my position. More or less.

I like to watch the so the Tonys are the Oscars, make jokes and enjoy an actorally speech as much as anyone, but I don’t expend much energy getting upset and justices and say the best Supporting Actor category. But on Sunday, when the Golden Globe for Best Stand Up Comedy on Television went to Ricky Gervais for the second time in three years, the wind shook me out of my indifference. That his dismal, meandering laundry list of jokes was even nominated was absurd that at one perverse. Now I have pre read this article, but I’ll jump in here so that I’m not just like reading you Jason’s article. We all have to understand what the Golden Globes are.

It’s just celebrities getting drunk. It’s a low rent award show. Remember the Golden Globes actually went away for a little bit. There was a controversy there and then they brought it back. So we really can’t take this too seriously.

And I don’t think Jason is either. It’s the Golden Globes. Like people are wigged that Amy Poehler won Best Podcast. There was no scenario where they were gonna go on. The winner for best Podcast is NPR.

Here’s some guys who record a new show at four in the morning. That was never, ever, ever going to happen. I’m on record saying that I’ve probably said it on this show. I definitely said it on my substack, which is mcdeepod dot substack dot com. It’s free.

You should subscribe. There’s a link in the show notes. It’s the Golden Globes. The only person who takes the Golden Globes seriously is, of course Taylor Swift, but I’m not gonna go there today, Jason Wrights. Taste is subjective, of course, but how could anyone who watched more than a dozen stand with specials this year think that Ricky Gervass pretentiously titled Mortality set the standard wall.

Here’s the thing, Jason, and you and I both know this, and I think you may have even talked about this in your piece. The people are voting, they’re not watching these things. They’re getting a listen and going, oh, I’ve heard of Ricky Gervasi’s very funny click. That’s all they’re doing again. That’s why Amy Poehler, and I’m not saying Peopolar’s podcast is bad, but it’s a slam dunk.

Amy Poehler, who used to host the Golden Globes was going to win the Golden Globes for Best Podcast. There was no other scenario there. You think John Marco SARRESI he had a chance to win a Golden Globe. Nobody knows who that is and he’s the twenty twenty six Comedian of the Year. Yes, I’m correct here next paragraph, Jason Rates.

Maybe the fact that he hosted the Golden Globes five times earned him goodwill me Poler another former host who won the first Globe for podcasting on Sunday Bingo and Bingo. And yet the celebration of one of the worst Netflix specials of the year sends a different message about the lack of respect afforded stand up skipping ahead mortality. Is Jervas mailing it in getting some of his biggest laughs with lines delivered years ago at the Golden Globes. I don’t disagree with that. So I watched the special and it was Ricky doing what Ricky does, and I laughed a couple times.

No new ground there, it was just him doing his I’m gonna say something outrageous. You’re going to be outraged that I said something outrageous, And I’m going to point out to you how outrageous your outrage about my outrage is. It’s just what he does. Zenniman rights, no one plays the victim with more persistence than jervas well, maybe Chappelle does. They’ve tried to cancel me for fifteen years, he says in the special.

Who has not Netflix, which pumps out of specials every couple of years. Maybe the Golden Globes. No, he says, not a single punch line he wrote for them was cut. He can’t even commit to his own nonsense, skipping down? Why does this matter?

Badter, boring art gets rewarded with prizes all the time. No one takes the Golden Globe seriously right. Part of the issue is that, in a culture that pays so much attention to award show, stand up comedy doesn’t have its own, and the awards that do celebrate specials pit comics against other entertainers. The Emmys or focus on albums. The Grammys.

I wish, Jason, I wish the Grammys focused on albums. They don’t. The Grammys focuses on Netflix specials. Yeah, I get on my soapbox about that. Every single year, somebody should put out a comedy album, and we could give it a Grammy.

Good paragraph here from Jason. I mean they’re all good. I’d like Jason’s work, and I don’t mean to dig the other paragraphs. I just particularly like this one. If you were a casual fan using Awards as a guide to the best in the field, you might think that Gervais is on historic run and that is oblivious, rich guy.

Observational humor is what passes for excellence. This is not a good advertisement for the art form. He’s right there. But again, it’s the Golden Globes. They’re going right down the middle.

They’re gonna do the obvious good piece there in the New York Times. I encourage you to read it in full.

Speaking of award show right on time, I mentioned this yesterday the Grammy A…

They announced Trevor Noah we’ll be back to host the Grammy Awards. It is Trevor Noah’s sixth appearance. It will also be his quote unquote final time.

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Now here’s why Trevor began hosting the Grammys for CBS in the first place.

You may recall Trevor Noah was a host of the Daily Show. That’s on Comedy Central, and both Comedy Central and CBS owned by paramounts, so there’s some synergy there. But now the Grammy Awards are leaving CBS. They’re heading to ABC and they’ll be on ABC for ten years. Maybe we’ll see Jimmy Kimmel hosting the Grammys.

Who knows. Anyway, I’m a big fan of Trevor and happy to have him back. ABC would be smart to grab him if he’s willing to do it. Netflix announced a deal with Shane Gillis. As part of the deal, we learned that production on Tires season three is underway and that’s part of an overall new Netflix deal with Shane Gillis and John McKeever.

The duo will develop film series and unscripted projects for Netflix, and we’ll get two more Netflix specials out of Shane Gillis. Season three of Tires will be twelve episodes. Thomas Hayden Church, who plays Shane’s dad, is promoted to series regular. Tracy Pecosta’s VP comedy series at Netflix, and you can tell she feels the vibe with this quote. Shane Gillis’s unapologetic comedy and neck for finding humor in everyday life is what sets him apart.

With Tires, he and John McKeever have turned that same raw, unfiltered energy into a show that feels familiar to many people. Shane, giving a much better quote, said, Yeah, working with Netflix is great. It’d be cool to shoot season three at Tire soon. That’s how you do it. I hate the corporate quotes.

They always just sound so soulless.

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Now here’s an interesting note some people on threads talking about this.

The article is about the revamp of CBS News, and not everybody likes what they’ve done so far. Nikki Glaser made fun of it on The Golden Globes her punchline, c BS News now deep into this article, but this is being talked about on comedy threads. A list of some of the people that Barry Weiss, the new boss of CBS News, brought from her previous gig at the Free Press. One of those folks is Sasha Seinfeld. Now, Sasha Seinfeld has a dad named Jerry.

I just thought that was interesting, would share it.

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Speaking of Jerry, Radar Online reports that Jerry Seinfeld is hitting the gy…

An insider tells Radar Online, Jerry’s in the gym every day and working hard to maintain his looks and fitness, probably for different reasons that you think. Jerry intends to keep performing live as long as he can, and that requires real physical strength, not for just being up on stage, but also to handle the travel and logistics of being a headlining performer. But he’s putting in the hours and hitting the weights like never before because he wants to be around for his wife and kids, and he’s deathly afraid of things like dementia, cancer, osteoporosis, and Parkinson’s disease. He’s seen too many of us role models struck down by these things to just ignore his health or leave it to fate. The same report says wife Jessica Seinfeld prides herself a great cook, but it’s down to Jerry, and Jerry alone put in the hours at his home gym, had to stay as sharp as possible.

He’s taken this mission incredibly seriously. It’s become a hobby. He’s as passionate about as he is about his collection of exotic cars. He wakes up at the crack of dawn for a punishing workout, and he’s done by the time Jessica has his breakfast hot and ready for him. A couple jokes from Late Night Seth Myers said, President Trump posted a screenshot of his Wikipedia profile on truth Social over the weekend that showed him listed as the acting president of Venezuela.

Not many people can say they were the worst president in the history of two countries. John Stewart asked, doesn’t your oath of office to America have a non compete? Are you playing Comedy Survivor with us? If you’re not, please go to the Facebook group which is Daily Comedy News podcast group. Scroll down there you’ll find a picture of me extinguishing Amy Schumer’s torch.

She was voted off last week. It looks like this week Joe Coy and Adam Sailor could be in a little trouble. So if you want to save them, you’re gonna have to rally some friends and get them to the Facebook group to vote somebody else off. But looks like could be Coy, could be Sandler. We’ll see Outsiday.

On the eight hundred pound gorilla. Craig Ferguson’s I’m So Happy. Craig Ferguson is a good stand up You should watch that special. Amy Schumer likes when we talk about her, so she goes on Instagram. Last week, on her Instagram Stories, she posted herself wearing a baggy, comfortable outfit that was captured in photos and reported on by The Daily Mail.

Amy made fun of The Daily Mail’s caption and copied it, writing the comedian opted for comfort. Amy added the comment line up boys in the photo. Amy Schumer’s bundled up in an oversized winter coat, layings, a hoodie, and black running shoes. Bad news for Tom Brady. Chelsea Handler does not want to date him.

She told a radio show. I have no interest in Tom Brady. I don’t find him dynamic, hot, interesting or fun. I find him so boring. Bill Maher on his podcast said, I’ve been nominated for thirty three Emmys and they would never give it to me.

That’s not a gag number, that’s a real number. It’s crazy. Obviously, it’s something I say said. Well, it’s everything I said because I speak freely, and this woke down effing hates that. That’s okay.

I’ve made my peace with that and Scott Adams, the creator of the Dilbert comic strip, passed away of prostate cancer. He was sixty eight. His wife, Shelley, read a statement on his livestream channel. Scott wrote it before passing away. It read, if you’re reading this, things didn’t go well for me.

I have a few things to say before I go. My body failed before my brain. I’m of sound mind as I write this January first, twenty twenty six. Then he got into his estate. I had an amazing life.

I gave it everything I had. Be useful, and please know that I loved you all to the very end. At its peak, Dilbert was in two thousand newspapers, but in twenty twenty three The Syndicator dropped the comic strip following remarks made by Scott Adams. The comments I’ll personally editorialize are a racist and very hateful, and thus I won’t repeat them. Scott Adams was sixty eight.

And that is your Daily Comedy News for today. See tomorrow

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Featured: Wanda Sykes, Nikki Glaser, Ricky Gervais, Bill Maher, Kevin Hart, Adam Sandler, Neil Brennan

What’s in This Episode

• Wanda Sykes’ controversial Golden Globes presenter comments
• Nikki Glaser’s Golden Globes hosting performance and feedback
• Wanda Sykes’ jokes about Bill Maher and Kevin Hart at Golden Globes
• Ricky Gervais social media response to Wanda Sykes roast
• Nikki Glaser on competition among female comedians
• Adam Sandler receives AARP Career Achievement Award with comedy speech

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media Clue. I’m Johnny Mac with your Daily Comedy News. I gotta tell you, I’m kind of annoyed with Wanda Sykes. She just made this comment that really annoyed me. Here’s the comment.

Hey, first, let’s give it up for Nikki Glaser, right now, haw Come on, so and shout out to the Golden Globe for having me, because you know this, some people pissed off that a queen black woman is up here doing the job of two mediocre white guys.

Now here’s my question for Wanda Sykes.

Who are the two mediocre white guys that you refer to? Is that a shot at the other presenters, because here’s the list of the presenters. I didn’t go back and fact checked it, but here’s who they released before the Golden Globes aired. Your presenters, which could include two mediocre white guys, were Amanda Ceifred Annada, Armis Ayoade, every Charlie. Which are the two mediocre white guys so far?

Is it Chris Pine, Colma Domingo, Connor, Story, Dakota Fanning, Dave Franco, Diane Lane, George Clooney, Hailey Steinfeld, Hudson Williams, Jason Bateman, Jennifer Gordner, Joe Keary, Judd Appatol, Julia Roberts, Justin Hartley, Catherine han Keegan, Michael Key, Kevin Bacon, Kevin Hart, Keira Sedgwick, Lalisa Mannibal, Luke Grimes, Mcauleay Culkin, Marland Wayans, Melissa McCarthy, Milaicunis, Miley Cyrus, Middie Driver, Orlando Bloom, Pamela Anderson, Pianca Choper, Jonas, Queen Latifa, Regina Hall, Sean Hayes, Snoop Dogg, Wanda Sykes, will Arnett, Zoe Kravitz. So, Wanda Sykes, I’m not sure who you think is mad. I was watching live and I went, oh, there’s Wanda Sykes. That was the end of my thought process. I wasn’t like, oh, my goodness, I can’t believe Wanda Sykes is up there.

There should be two mediocre white guys presenting, So I have no patience for her comment. So then I thought, is that a shot at who hosts the awards? Maybe she thinks mediocre white guy’s host award shows. Well, clearly last night’s host was not a mediocre white guy. It was Nicky Glazer, previous host Joe Coy, Jrod Carmichael, Tina Fe and Amy Poehler, Ricky Gervais.

You have to go back to twenty nineteen. Are you mad about six years ago? Andy Samberg and Sandra O twenty seventeen, Seth Myers twenty sixteen, Jimmy Fallon twenty fifteen, Ricky Gervas before Ricky, Tina and Amy three times, Ricky three times. Maybe she meant the Academy Awards hosted in twenty twenty five by Conan O’Brien, He’s not mediocre. He is a white guy, Jimmy Kimmel for two years.

Maybe she doesn’t like Jimmy Kimmel in twenty twenty two. Maybe she thought the hosts were terrible. I did. They were Amy Schumer, Regina Hall and Wanda Sykes before that trio Jimmy Kimmel and before that Chris Rock. Maybe she meant the Emmys.

Maybe she meant twenty twenty five host at Nate Bergetzi, he was not good. Maybe she meant twenty twenty four’s Eugene Levy and Dan Levy. Now there that that could be who she meant before with that pair, Anthony Anderson, Keenan Thompson, Cedric the Entertainer, Jimmy Kimmel, Nobody, Pandemic, Michael Chay and Colin Jost before that Colbert and Kimmel. Maybe she met the Grammys hosted the last five years, but Trevor Noah before that, Alicia Keys, two years of James Cordon and ll Coolja in twenty sixteen. So, Wanda, I’m not sure who you mean.

By the way, Grammy’s coming up. They have yet to announce Trevor Noah as the host. Now. They did the same thing last year. They were very slow to announce Trevor Noah, and I’d be surprised if he’s not returning with that has not been announced yet.

Then she took a shot at Bill Maher. I’m presenting the Award for Stand Up Comedy on Television, but first I want to give them some love. Bill Maher, you give us so much, but I will love a little less. She did have a funny comment about Kevin Hart and money. I agree with this.

Kevin Harve w Is Kevin, Kevin, Kevin, you know I love you. And the thing is, Kevin is the richest guy in this category, and yet I know he wants it the most. You’re a true American, Kevin.

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And then the shot at Ricky Gervas that I told you about in yesterday’s episode.

Ricky Gervas, I love you for not being here. No, I love you, Ricky Buck. But because if you win, I get to accept the ward on your behalf, and you’re gonna thank God and the trans community, and the Golden Globe goes to uh Tayana. Can I borrow your speech, Ricky Gervais because. He would like to thank God.

And the trans community. Ricky did not react to Wanda’s comments on social media. He did tweet fing one period again period. Nikki Glaser generally well received as your host of the Golden Globes. I think it makes sense to bring her back next year.

I think she was maybe a little too safe this year. Weird thing to say about Nikki Glaser, right, and you can see that the Hollywood crowd is starting to accept her as one of their own. Nicki might want to take a step back to the right and be a little leedgier next year, assuming she is back. Leading up to the Globe, she was profiled by Parade Magazine. They asked her to do celebrities generally handle their roast well?

Nicki said, oh yeah, if you sign up for a roast, you know what you’re getting into. And even if they haven’t, I haven’t had any backlash from any of them. But you know, I always thought if they get upset about some of these jokes, that’s their fault because there is a precedent. After the Tom Brady roast, she said she spiraled because I worried that I had to deliver that kind of performance every time, like the bar was too high.

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And then even after the Globes last year, John Stewart tweeted something like…

Those messages really resonated with me, and I guess I had to believe them. Good answer here. They were curious if she’s still in competition with other comedians, especially female comedians. Her answer, yes, I never thought I was a competitive person. I never really did sports.

I just didn’t really care about board games, but you know, I like winning things. As far as female competition, I hate to say it, but it is true. Like people always say, there’s enough space for all of us. But the industry is built so there’s one leading woman per movie. If you look at comedy shows around la there’s one or two women and eight guys.

So to say I’m always in competition with everyone and not just women would be false. It’s just math. But I don’t want to hold women back by any means. But I do have jealousy sometimes, and do I feel competitive against other women. You can’t not wow, Adam Sandler.

He was robbed. He should have won Best Supporting Actor or something like that. We got a reward, Adam Sandler for doing good drama. Adam did over the weekend receive the Career Achievement Award at the AARPS Movies for Grown Up Awards. Adam Sandler, being that it was the AARP’s got real about getting old, Sandler said, a lot of people said to me, Sandman, getting a double ARP award means that you’re old.

Now, it’s what I say. It’s not because of this award. I’ve got ten other reasons that you know I’m old, he said. The font on my phone is so big that my text can be read by anybody with a window seat on a Delta flight. I feel you, My wife was asking me to read something.

I’m like, I can’t read this font anymore. It’s so bad, Sandler said when I received the Academy Awards screeners. Even though he pressed play on forty four different movies, I can only stay awake for combined total of eight minutes. For all of you who are getting all the accolades, I must say, I love the first thirty seconds for your work. Sounds like me.

Sandlor and I could be friends. We have a lot in common. Right now, I’m wearing sweatpants and a sweatshirt. We could go clothes shopping together and watch sports. Sandler said.

I promised to everyone here tonight I will make at least fifty more movies before I’m dead, and at least twenty five of them will be good. So it sounds like he’s planning on making twenty five more dramatic films Hanka’s Area, stop by Neil Brennan’s show. He did Trump quotes as voiced by Simpson’s characters. I’ve slightly edited this for pacing, and there’s what’s called peak distortion in the audio. That means the audio source was a little too hot into the recorder.

Hot means loud, so you’re gonna hear some fuzzy audio here at points, but here’s Hanka’s area and Neil bri and Inns Blocks podcast. We’re going to get the drug prices down, not thirty percent, not forty percent, which would be great, not fifty percent of sixty percent of that. We’re going to get them down a thousand percent, six hundred percent, five hundred percent, fifteen hundred percent, numbers that are not even thought to be achievable. This is pretty satisfying, Ah Professor Frank, my personal favorite, nuclear is so powerful. My uncle explained that to me many many years ago.

The power that was that was thirty five years ago. Kirk van Howden, I know a lot about grass because I own a lot of golf courses, and if you don’t have good grass, ye’re not in business very long. Radar Online saying Lorne Michaels is getting close to being pushed aside and a power struggles exploding a thirty rock. A source tells Radar Online, which tends to be a little gossip. B doesn’t mean they’re wrong, but they tend to be gossip.

By Tina fay Is, the front runners to succeed lorn, but a lot of key players can’t stand her and are going to raise hell if she’s hired to do the job. And I wonder who those key players are, because cast wise, I’m not sure there’s anyone right now that if they left, you’d be like, oh, that’s a major loss. I mean, there’s Josein Chay, but they’ve been at the desk a long time and we’re closer to the end of the beginning there unless they pull a Keenan and just host week an update for thirty years. But there’s no Bowen Yang right now. Bowen’s already out the door.

So I’m not sure who you would be sad about losing, unless there’s some assistant producer or a head writer that I’m not familiar with, and maybe that’s who they meet. By key players, the source claims insecure men on the cast and in the writer’s room just wouldn’t feel as comfortable reporting to Tina Fey, who’s fifty five, as they are reporting to Lorne Michaels. Michael Chay says Lauren is irreplaceable. He wasn’t speaking about Tina here, but he said, I don’t know. I don’t know how you do that job and not be Lauren.

It’d be strange to me. It’s like imagine being the stepfather of a fifty year old. The source says, people like Seth Myers and Colin Joseph been mentioned. Seth’s talk show has made the same building as SNL and there’s a lot of creative overlap with writers, directors, and crew.

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Meanwhile, Colin is closing in on twenty years with SNL.

He’s given the series the best years of his life and there should be some reward for that. The source warned. Any transition isn’t going to happen without conflict. SNL is in turmoil. Wow, bring it on, I need something to talk about.

I think the big thing, never mind just flying the ship, flying the show week tweek, The big thing is Lauren’s power base and his ability to call a listers in Like is Paul McCartney answering the phone for Tina Fey or Seth Myers or Colin Jost or candidate four. I don’t know, but you don’t get that without doing the job for several years, so it’s kind of catch twenty two. I think Lauren should have gotten out after SNL fifty could have taken that victory lap nice even number to get out on Big Celebration Mike Season fifty one. Someone Else’s problem, We’ll see. Sarah Sherman was on Mike Berbigley’s podcast for Biggs asked Sarah who she’s most jealous of.

Sarah said, I’m jealous of a couple of people. I’m jealous of Ashley Padiam, a coworker and friend. She calls Ashley SNL’s breakout star. I’ve seen a few people say that I’m not seeing that yet as a guy sitting on the couch. But okay, Sarah said, she just writes the perfect sketches.

She’s amazing. Are you playing Comedy Survivor with us? What you do is you go to the Facebook group, which is Daily Comedy News podcast group. You will find an image of me extinguishing Amy Schumer’s church. Amy Schumer was voted out in week one.

It is now week two. Voting is open until end of day Thursday. Still in the game. Adam Sandler, Jay Leno, Joe Cooy, Jim Gaffig, and Nikki Glaser, Seth Meyers, Kevin Hart, John Mulaney, Oskoed Koatska, Sebastian Manascalco, Tig Nataro, Sarah Silverman, Leslie Jones, Ron White, and Bert Kraser. You go to the Facebook group, you find the picture.

There’s a conversation thread there. You vote one person off. There’s already a vote for Bert, there’s already a vote for Sandler. If you got a chance to listen to the Good One podcast last week with Chris Gethard of Vulture has Paul most of the quotes. If you just want to read it, I encourage you to listen to it.

I thought it was it’s going to be one of the best podcasts of the year. And I know it’s early, but this will be there at the end. Gethart said, the game comedy is feeling progressively more rigged. Now. Comedy is being backed into a corner that’s not good for artists.

We’re being tricked into feeding a system that’s going to do what Spotify did to musicians. Your biggest thing ever, disposable TikTok doesn’t matter. If you’ve got five million views next week, they won’t remember it. You can be on some of the biggest platforms in the world and not make money. You can get a special on Netflix, but all the production costs come out of your end.

Comic may have worked on that special for five to ten years, and very often they’re not even making two months of rent and expenses from it. Gethard said, they’re starting to become a dialogue and comedy of or we participating a thing that’s not even working. I’ve had a couple of clips bust out. You don’t see ticket sales from those. Yeah, that’s I’ve been loud about this in the podcasting industry.

Everybody’s like YouTube, YouTube, YouTube, and I get it, and Discovery and the algorithm and all that, but the other day that none of that pays the mortgage. You know what pays the mortgage doing an audio podcast in your basement and running those commercials and making football picks and getting paid to make football picks. So that’s what pays, you know. The YouTube stuff, Yeah, all right, Discovery, that’s nice, but the money’s not there. And TikTok clips, the money’s not there.

Gethard said, I’ve started to hear this from other artists too. People who want to consume comedy in forty five to ninety seconds at a time on their phone don’t want to go out and sit through a thing for an hour. He went on to say, in so many ways envious of the options at the hands of young creators. You don’t have to wait for gatekeepers. You don’t have to audition for a house team at UCB, or wait for a call from jfl or the Aspen Comedy Festival.

Book at Ariel Elias, good joke writer, charming persona. How does the world know her? Because I’m maniac through an effing full beer at her head. That’s why we know an artist. That’s a great point, that is why we know her.

I highly encourage you to seek out that podcast episode, The Good One Podcast. Great job there, folks. Nick Kroll is getting a new Netflix comedy series. It’s called eight hundred Percent. He’s joined by cast members I Am Richardson, Jason Manzukis, and Vanessa Bayer.

They all play podcasters. That’s gonna be really good. Gabriel Iglecias just back from the Red Comedy Festival. He’s aimed to deal with Comedy Dynamics for the distribution of some of his most iconic specials. Now, I don’t understand what is happening here.

Under the deal, Comedy Dynamics will distribute original and animated versions of Gabriel Iglesias Hot and Fluffy I’m not Fat, I’m Fluffy and Aloha Fluffy two various platforms. So those are re releases, but animated versions, Like, so what are we doing? And tig Nataro did this already, she had us a special called drawn, I believe. So maybe he didn’t shoot some of those as video and they’re gonna animate it. I don’t know, I’m confused.

Gabe dropped by Jay Leno’s garage. So here you have Jay Leno, the worst person who ever lived, and Gabe just back from the Reod Comedy Festival, and they teamed up. Gabe was showing off his iraq Z. As the story goes about this iraq Z, it was originally sold by dealership in Ohio and purchased from a collector last year, then bought by Gabriel Iglesias. Apparently it’s a very low mileage iroxy, like four hundred miles or so.

So if you want to check that out, Jay Leno’s garage, and that is your comedy news for today. All right, I’ll see tomorrow

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Featured: Amy Schumer, Jay Leno, Adam Sandler, Joe Coy, Jim Gaffigan, John Mulaney, Nicky Glazer, Sebastian Maniscalco

What’s in This Episode

• Comedy Survivor Week 1 elimination results
• Amy Schumer voted off the island
• 16 comedians compete in voting game
• Week 2 voting predictions and danger zone analysis
• AI analysis of voter motivations and strategy

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media, outbit Outlaugh Outlast. This is Comedy Survivor and I’m Johnny Mac. Welcome to Comedy Survivor. One week ago, we stranded sixteen comedians on an island. Listeners went to the Facebook group, which is Daily Comedy News podcast group, and they voted one comedian off.

As a reminder, the contestants are Adam Sandler, Jay Leno, Joe Coy, Jim Gaffigan, Nicky Glazer, Seth Myers, Kevin Hart, Amy Schumer, John Mulaney, otsco At Katska, Sebastian Maniscalco, Tick Nataro, Sarah Silverman, Leslie Jones, Ron White, and Bert Kreischer. It’s time to tally the votes. Dylan votes for Amy Schumer. That’s one vote. Amy s Nachelle votes for Joe Coy, one vote Amy Schumer, one vote Joe Coy.

Sean votes for Jay Leno, one vote Amy Schumer, one vote, Joe Coy, one vote Jay Leno. Jeff votes for Jay Leno. That’s two votes for Jay, one for Joe Coy, one for Amy Schumer. Aaron votes for Joe Coy. That’s two votes for Jay Leno, two for Joe Cooy one for Amy Schumer.

Rovi votes for Leslie Jones, Brad votes for Spassion Manascalco, Mary votes for Adam Sandler, Andrea votes for Amy. That’s two votes for jay Leno, two votes for Amy Schumer, two votes for Joe Coy, Mike votes for Seth Barb votes for jay Leno, three votes for jay Leno, two for Amy Schumer, for Joe Coy, Mike votes for Sandler, three votes for jay Leno, two for Amy Schumer, two for Joe Coy, two for Adam Sandler. Matt votes for Adam Sandler three votes, Adam Sandler three votes, jay Leno, two votes, Amy Schumer. A Vaughan votes for Osco at Kotska, Cheryl votes for Bert Kreischer, Gary votes for Amy Schumer. That’s three votes Amy Schumer, three votes, jay Leno, three votes, Adam Sandler two votes, Joe Coy, one vote for several others, and the final vote from Dan goes two Amy Schumer, Amy Schumer four votes, Jay Leno, three votes, Adam Sandler three votes, Amy Schumer.

The Facebook group has spoken. We’ll take a break, let that settle in, and then come back with analysis, and I’ll look ahead to week two of Comedy Survivor. All right, what did you think of the results? I didn’t even rig that. If you could go and look at the Facebook group, I just went in order from top to bottom.

That’s how the vote’s laid out. I didn’t stage it for like an amazing comeback or anything. Amy Schumer voted off Comedy Survivor in week one. It is now week two. What you will do is you’ll go to the Facebook group, which is Daily Comedy News podcast group.

You’ll find an image of me putting out Amy Schumer’s torch. In there, you will write down a name who you want voted off the island this week. Oh my goodness, this is so much fun already. So to recap, Schumer had four, Jay had three, Sandler three, Joe Koi two, Leslie Jones, Sebastian seth Otsgo and Bert all one. Amy Schumer is eliminated.

I ran this data through the AI. The AI says the group is voting on overexposure, personal taste, and who they feel like arguing about. They’re not voting on craft. The voting on emotion. AI says Amy Schumer’s elimination signals that polarizing figures are vulnerable, loud opposition beats quiet support, and week two will be more strategic.

Okay. Looking ahead to week two, the AI says in the danger zone Jay Leno that three votes is not noise. There’s a block forming and some members clearly want Jay Leno out early. BAI says Adam Sandler, same count as Leno. That’s meaningful.

People may be testing the idea of taking out a giant early. Two votes puts Joe Koy on the board. As for who’s looking safe right now, the AI says Gaffig and Malaney Glazer, Ron White, Sarah Silverman, and Tig Nataro are safe. The AI predicts this week the elimination will come from Leno, saidlor Leslie Jones or Joe Cooy. We will find out.

Go to the Facebook group Daily Comedy News podcast group, find the cartoon. Vote there back in the morning with a normal episode. Boy, this is fun.

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Featured: Nikki Glaser, George Clooney, Leo DiCaprio, Taylor Swift, Michael B. Jordan, Adam Sandler, Gene Smart, Seth Rogen, Kevin Hart, Wanda Sykes, Ricky Gervais, Bill Maher, Brett Goldstein, Kamil Nan Gianni, Sarah Silverman, David Letterman, John Mulaney, Bowen Yang, Mark Maron, Amy Poehler

What’s in This Episode

• Nikki Glaser’s Golden Globes hosting performance and monologue jokes
• Golden Globes Best Supporting Male Actor snub of Adam Sandler
• Golden Globes Best Stand-Up Comedy Award won by Ricky Gervais
• Wanda Sykes presenting stand-up award and comments about representation
• Bowen Yang weekend controversy
• John Mulaney ICE decision
• David Letterman news

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media. Oh my god, Golden Globes, you’re killing me. Lady. Give out the stand up comedy war till ten twenty pm. I am Johnny Mac with your Daily Comedy News.

We actually have some pretty big stories about Bowen Yang and John Muliney and David Letterman. We’ll do that after the break. But the Golden Globes a nice job Nicky Glazer. The crowd there clearly likes her. She’s both one of them but enough of an outsider that she can still land jokes.

And I thought she just did a great job on the monologue. It was a buy the numbers monologue, and what I mean it was just a very old school you take your time, and you go and George Clooney’s here, and camera switches to George Clooney, and you tell a George Clooney joke and you have some fun with that and you go and it’s great to see so and so. And she did that, and she had the timing down and the jokes were well tested, really really good. She opened up with a pretty fantastic joke about a listers. I cannot believe the amount of star power we have in this room tonight.

It’s insane. There’s so many A listers, And by A listers, I do mean people who are on a list that has been heavily redacted. But yes, and the Golden Globe for Best Editing goes to the Justice Department. But the joke that everybody’s talking about is this one. I won’t even spoil it.

Here’s Nikki Glaser. And the award for most editing goes to CBS News. Yes, CBS News America’s newest place to see BS News. Now, something was going on on the internet last night because normally with these things, I can grab like a lot of clips on the fly, and I don’t know if the Golden Globes police were shutting them down. Clips were a little hard to come by last night.

So I don’t have a lot of Nikki’s monologue for you. At one point she made a joke to George Clooney about having trouble with her an espresso machine. You may recall George did an Espresso DS at some point and George laughed at it. And again I keep coming back to Joe Johan Taylor Swift and was like, all you had to do, Taylor was smile at the joke, which is what Looney did.

And now everyone’s having a good time and we move around.

We’re also some good jokes about Leo DiCaprio. Now, Nicki had said that she wasn’t going to make Leo jokes, but she did. Let’s listen. You’ve worked with every great director, You’ve won three Golden Globes, an Oscar and the most impressive thing is that you were able to accomplish all of that before your girlfriend turned thirty. I mean, it’s just insane.

Liam. I’m sorry I made that joke. It’s cheap, you know what. I tried not to. But like, we don’t know anything else about you, man, Like there’s nothing else like open up serious.

I look, I searched. The most in depth interview you’ve ever given was in Teenbeat magazine in nineteen ninety one. Is your favorite? Is your favorite food still pasta? Pasta and more pasta?

Look it up, that’s real. Leo did smile at them again, Taylor Swift, just smile at the camera and don’t kill the room. As I was prepping the show was interesting. I was sourcing everywhere the British tabloids were writing and this is not true. I was watching the TV.

The British tabloids said that the CBS news joke and the A list joke got mixed reactions in the room. I don’t think so at all. I think the British coverage of the Golden Globes is a little loaded there. I think the room really liked Nikki. During her monologue, she did a joke about Michael B.

Jordan. I don’t have the clip, but she made a good joke about Jordan playing two brothers in the movie and then said, am I allowed to say that?

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When I saw that, I was like Nicky b Jerkin because that was awesome. That got Michael B. Jordan’s mother can on camera making a face. On to the awards, Adam Sandler robbed, I’m so upset at this Best Supporting Male Actor in a Motion Picture went to stellin Scarsguard, not Adam Sandler for his wonnerful performance in Jake Kelly. Now listen to Hollywood industry.

We need to reward Adam Sandler if he’s going to be good in things like Jake Kelly and uncut gems. We need to reward him or he’s just going to make Jack and Jill two. Okay, please give Adam Sandler an award Oscars. Are you listening? This is very important.

Gene Smart wins Best Actress in a Television Series Musical or Comedy. It’s her third win out of four nominations for Hacks. Seth Rogan won Best Performance by a Male Actor in a Television Series Musical, Comedy or Hollywood celebrating themselves. No surprise, Hollywood loves the studio, so of course they’re going to give it to Seth Rogan. As the telecast moved on, if you watched it, there were announcers, so not just Nicki hosting, but in and out of the commercials or when the winners were walking up, they were announcers.

So one comment on the internet, Kevin Fraser and Mark Malkin are not snappy or funny enough to be additive, and they’re also too awkward and bland to feel like a meaningful way to get more information across to the view where they have no point of view. What’s the purpose of them? I think that review nailed it. Kevin Fraser was okay. Mark Malcolm was awful.

As they headed into the Best Podcast Award, there was a bit about podcasts, the crux of the joke being the podcast of a lot of commercials, and my friend Mark texted me he thought it was funny. I thought the bit was completely flat. We see Nikki Glaser in her car listening to podcasts and Mark Maren makes an appearance. Shocking. Actually, I can’t believe they got Maren to do that.

And Maren like knocks on the window or something and tries to sell her something like a podcast ad. I can’t believe they got Maren to do that. The people in the room, the Hollywood elite us with the thirty thousand dollars gift bags, listen to Saturday Show if you missed that. They didn’t seem to like that podcast was an award. Like when they gave out the nominees, it was half clapping.

Probably people went to the bathroom. The winner, Amy Poehler for Best Podcast. No, I thought this was fun. Around nine thirty three PM, I texted Mark and I wrote, the show’s dragging. If I’m producing this, I’m grabbing the Best Stand Up envelope and I’m running Kevin Hart and presenting that award next to get Kevin up there to give some energy to the show.

Well, they didn’t quite take my note. But at nine thirty eight pm Eastern, the next presenter was indeed Kevin Hart, and I was excited. I’m like, oh, Kevin Hart, but he didn’t really bring any energy to the stage. But finally, finally, at ten twenty pm, Wanna Sykes came up to give the award to Best Stand Up. The nominees were Bill Mahers, Is anyone else seeing this?

Brett Goldstein’s The Second Best Night of Your Life? Kevin Hart’s Acting, My Age, Kamil nan Gianni’s Night Thoughts, Sarah Silverman’s post Mortem, and Ricky Gervai’s Mortality. Now, Wanna gets up and she kind of annoyed me. She made a comment that people would be ticked that a black queer woman was doing the job of two mediocre white guys. Who’s saying that?

Wanda like, who’s actually saying that? Who is actually sitting home going you know? Uh JC and throws their mote across the room. I can’t believe Wanda Sykes is presenting an award who’s actually doing that? Wanda Sykes like, I did not appreciate that comment at all.

Then, as she read the nominee, thanked Ricky Gervas for not being there, because if Ricky were to win, she would get to accept on his behalf and then she would have Ricky, thank God, and the trance community, which was kind of funny. And the winner is Ricky Gervais, which was totally anti climactic because he wasn’t in the room. So all I was at ten twenty pm, I’ll share on tomorrow’s show what Ricky Gervas had to say. We’ll take the break here and then we’ll come back. We’ll talk about Letterman and Mulaney and oh and the whole Bowen Yang thing.

This was the whole thing over the weekend, all right, be right back. Coming up at noon Eastern today, Comedy Survivor Week one results and we’ll start off week two. As of neon Eastern. You’ll be able to vote in the Facebook group. You’ll find a cartoon of me eliminating the torch of the person who has been eliminated.

I mean, of course you go the Facebook group before that and just count the vote yourself, but that’s not fun. So the reveal is at noon today in this very feed. Okay, there was a big thing over the weekend. People basically canceled Bowen Yang. I went out for like two hours on Friday afternoon, and I came back and I saw Bowen Yang had been canceled.

I’m like, what even happened? And I’m still not entirely sure. So as I’m reading this news article, the Lost Culturist’s podcast host had discussed various politicians. Matt Rogers ripped into Gavin Newsom, saying that Newsom needed to get vocal surgery if he wanted to run for president. And I think it was Rogers who said he was turned off anytime a politician is making it too obviously about themselves.

That led to a conversation about Representative Jasmine Crockett, who is running for Senate in Texas. The Lost Caltesa’s host apparently urged their listeners not to donate to kroc Us senate campaign. Rogers said, quote and don’t waste your money, sending to Jasmine Crockett, do not do it. Don’t do it. You’re gonna waste your money.

Bow and Yang apparently agreed, saying money was quote hard enough to come by. Rogers then pivoted the conversation back to Newsom and that it just blew up the internet. The gist of the criticism was that they were putting down a black woman in an already hostile political environment. This got heated enough that the Boy’s backpedaled. Matt Rogers posted, transparency and candor matter to me, especially on the podcast.

I’m a very progressive person who cares deeply about winning these elections. But my phrasing was not right. I will be more thoughtful exclamation point. I really do promise. I have great respect and admiration for Representative Crockett, and I regret that my words suggested otherwise.

Bo and Yang said that he himself should not have waited on this and promised that he would use his platform more responsibly moving forward. Now. Once they apologize, then the conversation online. People seem to be mad now that the show’s called Lost Culture Teresa’s because neither host is Hispanic. And so I looked at this up Lost culturesas has been around since May of twenty sixteen.

You had time. If you were mad about the name, you had time to bring it up before this weekend. It’s just called lost culturesas come on people. David Letterman went on that barbar gaines thing he does sometimes when he feels like saying something but doesn’t feel like producing is something proper. He had some thoughts about the President of the United States.

Let’s talk a little bit about Jimmy Kimmel. Yeah, I love Jimmy Kimmel too. Here’s the thing what people don’t understand is Jimmy Kimmel single handedly brought the people at Disney and all of those other network television owners to their knees. Jimmy Kimmel single handedly. Made them critics a critic show, made them seem and appeared to be the fools they are, and continues to call attention to the plight.

And also Seth Myers, he’s very good, and I’m telling you we’re running out of places where you hear these voices. And Stephen Colbert in that franchise audios, and let me just say one thing. If we had a president who was a Republican I’m sorry, who was a Democrat. Let’s just say, if we had a president who was a Democrat and behave the way this Republican president is behaving, Jimmy would be attacking the Democrat president just as much as he attacks, So it’s not like it’s all politically driven. It’s driven by the behavior of the person in the office.

David Letterman was also not kind about CBS. By the way, what about those idiots at CBS. The CBS News is a record bill just gone CBS News for decades, going back in the world World War two. Before World War Two, they would be ed Murrow would be broadcasting the Blintz of London from the rooftop of buildings in London than for CBS Radio. And it was that mentality that drove the integrity of CBS News that has been trampled on, pissed on, and eviscerated by these idiots that have taken it over.

And I’m at a point now where it really is hurting my feelings because I’m sick and tired of people saying, oh wait to those midterms kids. We’re far downstream of the midterms having any effect on this. And I’ll tell you if it weren’t ten thirty seven PM on a Sunday night. And by the way, Johnny Mac had to do an airport run at six thirty am on Sunday. I would probably have a lot more to say about David Hdman, but I’m getting a little tired, so let’s add for home here.

John Mulaney postponed his shows in Minneapolis over the weekend. This is another thing that when I’m awake, I should probably discuss properly. On Tuesday show, John Malani canceled his shows in Minneapolis over the weekend as protests continued across the city condemning the fatal shooting of Renee Nicole good by an Ice agent road on Instagram. What’s happened in your city is heartbreaking. I hate to postpone shows in a town going through such awful challenges and such grief because it feels unfeared of the audience.

I’m sorry anyone who is disappointed. I know a fun stand up show could be a nice distraction, but it doesn’t sit right with me to put anyone at risk. Tickets for the shows will be honored at the rescheduled dates April tenth through the twelfth. Again, when I’m a little more awake, I’ll deal with that properly. Out today on the eight hundred Pound Gorilla, Hannah Gatsby’s woof is available to watch it.

And that is your comedy news. Sorry, Comedy Survivor coming up at newon Eastern and normal episode Tuesday morning. I see you then,

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Featured: Nate Bargatze, Sebastian Maniscalco, Ricky Gervais, Shane Gillis, Dave Chappelle, Andrew Dice Clay, Dane Cook, Bill Burr, George Carlin, Kenny Chesney, David Letterman, Adam Sandler, Jimmy Buffett, Chris Elliott

What’s in This Episode

• State of stand-up comedy in 2025: growth and fragmentation
• Billboard’s Top 25 Comedians of the 21st Century list
• Dane Cook’s legacy and omission from comedy rankings
• Division between clean comedy and edgy comedy in the industry
• Netflix’s impact on comedy’s commercial success
• David Letterman’s ‘My Next Guest’ Netflix series and recent content output
• Evolution of David Letterman from edgy host to established interviewer

Questions Answered in This Episode

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Full Transcript

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Caloroga Shark Media. Hey there, I’m Johnny Mackin Mike Chisholm, the host of The Letterman podcast, and we are friendly and sometimes we do crossover episodes. Mike and I recently did a session where we talked about things for like two and a half hours, and I chopped it up into pieces, and here Mike and I were discussing the state of comedy as twenty twenty five came to an end. It’s been an interesting year in all sorts of areas, but in comedy, I don’t know, man, I just feel like the genre and the industry that is stand up has never had a bigger, more successful year. But in that it’s also felt never’s felt as divided as it’s felt.

But you’re the guru when it comes to this stuff. What do you think about that assertation? Yeah, it’s interesting. I just saw a piece on Vulture suggesting that comedians need to get more angsty and fight more and believing as a pot cast host, I love when the comedians are battling. You know, you and I should start award just for the for the clicks.

But let’s do it. You know. On the other hand, if you look at it, what’s really working is the Nate Berganzis of the world doing the clean comedy, family stuff. You know, Sebastian manaskalgo that style of comedy. But then at the other end you’ve got the the canceled of Ricky Gervais and Shane Gillis and Dave Chappelle.

They’re all canceled and they’re never going to be able to speak again. They’re selling out Arenas. Ye, you’ve got that other wing of austin Ish and the Chraysiers and the Rogans and the Sigoras. You’ve got all that going on, so it’s sort of fractured. It’s tremendously successful.

I’m all over the place. When they did the Top Communities of the Century, Dane Cook wasn’t mentioned. Has everyone forgotten what a huge comic Dane was and Dane selling out the Garden was a statement with three exclamation points. But now you know, I love them, But we’re all sells out the Garden. Everybody sells out the Garden, so you know something has changed there.

The business is bigger than ever. A lot of that is Netflix driven, for sure, but yeah, it’s just a weird time. But there’s comedy for everybody. Right, Oh, definitely, Like, but thank you for mentioning Dane, because I remember back in the day. It’s interesting that you talked about all the different facets of comedy, and I remember how big of a deal it was when dice Clay sold out Madison Square Garden, Like that was a huge, huge, when when when dice Clay was, oh my god, Andrew dice Clay is doing an arena, you know, and then you know, you’d hear about it every once in a while.

But then you got Dane who comes in in the early party and I okay, fine, the Billboard list was of the twenty first century, the top twenty five comics of the twenty first century. Well, I’m sorry, but if there was a guy that brought in comedy and elevated it at the beginning part of the century in the early two thousand, it was Dane. It was a big deal, the tour that he went on, that run he went on, and I mean, you know, it’s different than Kennyson, but it’s similar to Kinnyson in the sense that there’s this huge thing that happens and it inspires all of these people, and then a couple of years later, you know, the star fades and it goes across and and and and and now we’re here in twenty twenty five and we’re debating whether he should be even be on the list. Well, to me, of course he should be on the list, but some people have short memories when it comes to this stuff. I suppose I have a strong opinion on My theory is that the stylized comedians and Dan Cook did have a style to him, the physicality and the way he spoke, you know, maybe not full on character like a dice, but it’s the brick wall comedians that tend to last.

The Bill Burrs, the Dave Chappelle is just a guy talking in front of a brick wall. We could put an arena, we could do with theater in the round shore, but it’s the traditional George Carlin esque stand up of I’m gonna stand here and just tell you what’s on my mind. Where some of that stylized stuff we’ve seen shooting stars over the years and they come and go and they’re they’re white hot, and they have that three four years and then they kind of go away. I’m not sure Dane is full on stylized comedian to use the term. But you know, he was just a monster, a quote unquote rock star there for a while, good looking guy, really lighting up crowds, people quoting his material, and you know, you go about twenty years later and it’s like he’s forgotten somehow.

It’s weird. Now, Yeah, it’s crazy that he wasn’t on that list, like like, like, as far as I’m concerned, he ushered comedy into the twenty first century by making it more, you know, talking about the MySpace stuff and the way that he would use the Internet, not just in his act. I mean, of course his act was very very you know, it talked a lot about the Internet and things like that, but the way that he built his community was a blueprint for what I imagine if podcasting existed back does now. I mean, he would have been one of the first people with a podcast. He really really saw where the puck was going and led an entire genre in that direction.

I just so yeah. But that being said that, the Billboard list was interesting. I really love I recommend everybody to go back and listen to the Daily Comedy News podcast episodes where where Johnny goes through the Top twenty the Billboard Top twenty five Comedians of the Century. It’s it’s it’s very very good. You split up in two episodes.

Again, bite sized, really really simple, not like this behemoth of a show where it’s long form. I really really like the bite size aspect of of what it is that you’re doing. And boy, you’ve got lots of stuff to talk about, and we could do separate shows. And we are going to do separate shows when it comes to this, because there is so much to talk about. But the guy who brought me into this podcasting game, David Letterman, has put out in the last month a whole bunch of new content.

In fact, more content in the last month than I think if you add up all the rest of the months, I think you might be pretty close. Have you watched any of the new My Next Guests yet? I started to watch the Sandler episode, okay, and I really struggle. So I’m stealing from Jimmy Buffett fans here. There was a group of Jimmy Buffett fans who created Church of Buffett Orthodox Yes, And what their premise was was that at one point Jimmy Buffett was about, Hey, let’s hang out at the beach and have a good time, and over the years, it became about product and knockoff Corona beer and restaurants, and I kind of want to form Church of Letterman Orthodox who believe in the I got to have a self trouble here the Testament of the twelve thirty.

We might read the eleven thirty, and then the later works of David Letterman just aren’t our thing. And boy, I just so just where my mind is. I was on YouTube the other night and I almost sent this to you, but then the clip went sideways. But the first few minutes of the clip were guys throwing stuff off a bridge onto a frozen lake, and I was like, yeah, that, I want more of that. Why isn’t anyone doing that?

Dave? Can you throw something off a bridge on a frozen lake? I want to watch that? And this Elder Statesman Letterman, I don’t take away anyone’s enjoyment of it. I don’t take away your enjoyment of it.

I’m glad Dave somehow has gone from a guy in a bad mood that doesn’t interview people to the great interviewer. That’s an interesting transformation. But those of us in the Church of Letterman Orthodox, I just want to throw stuff off a five story tower and have Chris Elliott do something weird and make fun of the whole thing not being that funny, making it funny. And as I’ve called it over the years, Establishment Letterman just isn’t my thing. I feel bad saying this out loud, especially off this show that’s you know, maybe some of your fans will be like, yes, Church of Letterman Orthodox, I want to sign.

Up, Oh gosh, yeah, And I mean there are you know, I like the fact that our show is the size that it is because I can kind of look into the people who support the show, and you can see the different I can still see everything. It’s like it’s it’s like when a musician is still playing in a in a venue that’s like maybe under seven hundred people, they can kind of still kind of see everybody that’s in the audience as they’re playing on it. And it kind of feels that way. Certainly, there is a huge contingent of people who tolerate this show because every once in a while they get a beautiful itch scratch talking about the late night show that they enjoy enjoyed so much. The Church of Letterman or the Orthodox Letterman Church would Yes, there certainly would be a lot of members.

But that being said, the he did transform, and I would I would submit that the long form, you know, skills that Dave has has is now showing us. Really at the end of the day, I think it took a career to build the skills that he has done. When it has has gotten when it comes to this stuff, I see him interviewing Sandler and it’s it’s an interesting thing. We’ll do an entire episode once. I want to wait till you watch the entire episode if you can stomach it.

Because one of the things that you talk about is the idea about how strong a dramatic actor Adam Sandler actually is as opposed to being a comedian or being a funny man. And and and I love the reoccurring bit that that appears. Whether it’s a bit or not, I guess remains to be seen on your show where you talk about that. They certainly talk about it in the in in Dave’s long form interview with them, But more so I think back to the days you were talking about, and I can remember Adam Sandler’s first few times on Late Night, and it’s really cool to watch Dave go back and talk to some of these people that he has had a TV or a showbiz relationship with for so long, and they can talk about some of those early days and things like that and add that as an element to the to the conversation. So you and I can go really deep on the Adam Sandler one and that’ll be a lot of fun.

But they’re all good. The Mister Beast episode is good, really good in fact, especially for people who don’t know who Miss Beast is, you know, biggest broadcaster on the planet. A lot of people still don’t know who who he is. I didn’t know who Mister Beast was other than his name, so it’s interesting to hear Dave kind of come from the curiosity standpoint with him. The Michael B.

Jordan episode very very good as well, very strong. I put that up there with some of the other episodes of people who I didn’t know who they were, very very very very well, like they weren’t super familiar with me, and and then you get a whole bunch of insights and now you look at the body of work and some of the things that this person has done, and it adds dimensions to it. And Michael’s did that with me. But for me, the highlight of all of them was the Jason Bateman episode. I mean that that episode to me was absolutely perfect.

By the way, it’s not throwing stuff off towers, but Dave is doing silly things a little bit. In some of these episodes. He goes to a hat shop in London. He smokes a cigar for the first time ever. I smoked cigars because of David Letterman, so I thought that was really really interesting.

And then of course at the end of the Bakman episode there’s an arrested development thing with Ron Howard in the whole nine yards, and it seems fun big time is what it felt like to me. So anyway, there’s a sum up of how I feel about that. We’re gonna do post mortems, Johnny and I will do a post mortem on Adam Sandler. We’re going to do post mortems on the other three episodes with the appropriate guest as well. Thank you for letting me monologue there for a second, my friend.

I appreciate It’s been a while since I’ve done one of these, so I needed to get that out. Thank you. Oh no, I feel bad. So I started to watch the Sandler one, and you know, it’s fine. It’s just that this is all about me and my sensibility.

I was recently thinking about. So I’m going to drop a name that you know, unless you lived on the East Coast at some point that I’m not aware of, you’re gonna have no idea what I’m talking about. But a section of your viewership is going to know the name Uncle Floyd. So Uncle Floyd had a uhchf show in the eighties when you know, we didn’t have cable and Queen’s so you played with the other knob and you one night you come across this Uncle Floyd show an editor at six o’clock and it’s this dude from New Jersey with a puppet with a lower budget than we’re using right now, Like at least you have a backdrop, right, you know, maybe my setup with this stick on the window. Maybe that was the budget of the Uncle Floyd show.

And he had a puppet and a couple other guys from Jersey and they did pardon my French, half assed sketches and a viewer mail type thing and it was hilarious because it was just so anti and that’s what appeals to me. And if I go back to twelve thirty, especially once God bless my godmother gave me, maybe for my fifteenth or sixteenth birthday, a VCR, so I didn’t have to stay up till one o’clock every night. But you know, you hand me an episode of Late Night with David Letterman and you know from New York insert joke here, it’s Late Night with David Letterman, tonight’s guest Jason Bateman and you know, quirky guest on the back half. I probably would have watched the opening, the Paul segment, the desk piece, fast forwarded through the guests, and then caught the middle weirdness when Chris Elliott came out and did something and then bailed on the opp So that was how I consumed the show. But that that’s not a ticket, Dave.

That’s just how I. That’s where my head is at, and that’s one of the major influences on how I approach everything creatively. Like that was formative in my brain that things like Floyd on how you do all this, like don’t do don’t try and do Johnny’s Tonight Show. Johnny did that already, Right, Let’s deconstruct this whole thing and do something crazy yep. Yeah, and and and they they not only again we talked about Dane at the beginning of this how he kind of created a blueprint.

Well that’s what Dave did, David company. They created a blueprint for you know, that would influence all of entertainment and comedy and how we view it and how we look at it. They added that element of cynicism, which I just absolutely I’m an optimist. I’m a natural optimist. I’m a positive guy.

Uh but I do have this cynicism streak in me and it was given to me by David Letnerman, by by pro wrestling as well. But but both of those things, I thought that was a knee addition to that was something that they brought to the table, that the idea of of of kind of not trusting leadership a little bit in a different way. Now, of course, it has ballooned into you know, I think I think most people are are are mostly cynical now or a lot of people are mostly cynical now. But adding a little cynicism to the to the comedy, I think was a phenomenal thing to do.

And then again, the celebration of failure.

You know, you talk about Floyd and and and what he did well well, really, at the end of the day, the idea of let’s give a bunch of hooligans at television studio and see what happens. You know, that’s a that’s a that’s a fun premise right there. Who knew that that that that the guy who did it would probably turn into or would turn into who is probably known as the you know, the greatest broadcaster, uh, that we’ve ever seen. That’s how I see him anyway, you know, I don’t think anybody could have predicted that. But yeah, it changed a culture.

It really did. The kids in college watching you know this show. Don Giller told me a story and then and then a few of the writers, uh you know, confirmed it the first time the show went up to California. You know, when they when they when they took it, they basically they were just kind of doing the show. They had their heads down and everybody was just trying to make stay on the air, make the best show that they could make.

And then at some point they said, okay, let’s take the show to California. And when they took the show to California and the crazed lineups for tickets for people to get in the the the the insanity of what was going on, lineups around the block and things like that, and the staffers were just baffled by it. They had no idea that they were taking an entire generation of of you know, late baby boomers, early early gen xers and and kind of steering what their comedic sensibility would be, you know, for the next quarter century. It’s it’s remarkable what they did. And uh, anyway, I’m just preaching to the choir when it comes in.

Well, also, the box that Late Night was put in. The things you can’t do because Johnny does those you can’t use those, Yes, forced some creativity there. You can’t do a ten minute monolog all right, Well we got to fill an hour. We got to come up with something, and you know, all those little things just added up to magic. Then when you get to eleven thirty in the box, isn’t there anymore?

You can wear an o’mani suit and wear shoes and look like a grown up, you know, and we all age I guess, well, no, I mean I’m wearing a hoodie. But you know, you know, you start to take that step towards establishment. Letterman as I call it. Now the Netflix show is Elder Statesman Dave and again I just want to throw a watermelon off a tower. More with Mike chishom in a second.

He hosts The Letterman Podcast, which you should check out. Be right back, continuing my conversation with Mike Chisholm from The Letterman Podcast. In this segment, we discussed some of the factual inaccuracies in Dave Chappelle’s recent special. That’s interesting how the people are calling him out for some of the factual inaccuracies. Now, you don’t hear that happening to stand up very often.

Now. I guess the notable one was Hassan Minaj, And you know that’s a weird one. Here’s a guy that just seemed like the next daily show host, right. It was just perfectly cast and probably would have done a good job. And for some reason people took his stand up special seriously and it went sideways, so that you know, that whole thing was weird, you know, nitpicking Chappelle.

Nitpicking Chappelle about Representative McCain versus Senator McCain, I don’t think is a big deal. I do think Trump being the one to pardon Jack Johnson is interesting and left out of the story. But these were all just, you know, choices we make. We edit on the fly doing the podcast. Every day, I edit on the fly and just I don’t talk about things that just don’t interest me, or I don’t want to go there.

Just top of mine. As we’re recording this, there’s a Russell Brand story in the news, and I just don’t want to go there. I try and stylize my show as something fun to listen to, especially in the morning, and some of the Russell Brand stuff, I just I just don’t want to go there. It’s not censorship, it’s just choosing differently. Yeah, oh yeah, which is, by the way, what freedom speech is all about.

Be able to just make a choice and say no, I’m going to leave that and everything’s going to be fine. They can have that. I can have this right and yeah, that’s well. Even like about the name of my show, Daily Comedy News, Yes, you know, it’s not The New York Times. Jason’sinnimon has accused me of being a journalist, which I reject.

Jason to him, I’m not a journalist. I’m a dude in a podcast, just talking to a microphone, and he goes, now, I’m a journalist and I’m and is no like am I talking about things in the news. Yes, but like I don’t consider myself any sort of you know, not the Dan rather of comedy. It’s just I don’t know. Here’s some stuff.

I go, well, and I’m going to riff about it and kill twelve to twenty minutes and go home and hope you had a good time. And you know, some of it has said lighthearted and you know, like we’ve talked about it, it’s all real. I don’t actually I don’t enjoy Adam Sandler comedies. As I’ve explained to my audience repeatedly, I don’t walk around all day going I can’t believe you made her get more to them. So I met like, I just don’t care.

I’m not going to watch it. The story where I forbade my children from renting Jack and Jill and said that I would rather light the five dollars on fire is a true story. That’s not even having to for effect. I could none of I could turn home right now. I could bring them in here and they’ll tell you that that’s a thing that happened.

So that is how I feel about Sandler comedies. But do I play it up? Of course, I play it up, just like the Joe Coy bit or the Jay Leno bit or anything else. These are just recurring Touchsdownes back to that lettermanesque sense of humor of We’re all in this together, and if I’m doing the show right and I’m building a community, you know where I’m going to go before I go there, and that’s part of the fun. Yep, where did Chappelle end up on your list for the year?

I have it like maybe like five. So my takeaway on the Chappelle special was I compared it to you sit down and watch a baseball game and your starting pitchers just got it today, and you’re like, oh, my goodness, he’s just untouchable today. And we’re four innings in and it’s a no hitter, and he struck out nine guys in the first four innings, and wow, this is just gonna be unstoppable.

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And then you know it, hit happens and then the starting pitcher leaves and gi…

And that’s how I felt about Chappelle, Like, right, a hit play. It looks great, it looks like a major special. And Dave comes out and he commands the stage and he’s got something to say, which is very important to me as a comedy snob. I want you to have something to say, and he’s got something to say, and he’s saying it. He’s presenting it at as very thoughtful and I’m hanging on every word and for the first warnings, Holy cal this is the special.

And by the time I got to the end of it, it was really good, but just didn’t sustain the same way. So I still have Mark Maron as the top special of the year. Yeah, I think Maren that. I think that’s peek Maren, and Maren had something to say and said it very well. I have Kevin hard at number two, which is just silly fun, just joke jokes.

Robbie Hoffman special is very good. It’s very good. I watched it. I watched it as a I hadn’t it had n’t my radar at all, and listening to you talk about it, I watched it and I was like, oh my god, Yeah, it was very very good. You know, So those are.

There’s plenty of fine specials. And again, I am a comedy snob because of what I did for ten years just listening to Everybody’s a material, the versions that they chose to release, listening to that all day, every day, I can see the matrix. I can see what you’re doing. I understand why doing. I get why people think it’s funny.

But like if you, if you make me watch Sebastian Maniscalco’s new special, I totally understand why a random couple from suburban Philadelphia is going out and having a good time at that show. I get it, But I just I’m watching it. I’m like, oh stop, I mean, just can you not make the ridiculous faces? Can you tell a real story here somewhere? But you know, Chappelle again and keeps saying the phrase he’s got something to say and that’s why he’s at the top of the game.

Sebastian to me, and I love him, love him. But to me, you go back to whichever special it was. I want to say, it’s like twenty fifteen, maybe is the one where you talked about company the company did? Do you remember that? To me?

He looked at himself back then and decided to turn the volume up to eleven on the character of yes, yes, that Since then, it was nice when he had like a little bit of the you know that that act, that mob, the affict whatever you want to call it, the affectation, thank you, that’s perfect. Now it’s just like he’s just he lives in it, and it’s it’s it’s it’s lit up to ten. It should be back at four. It should be a little more subdued. I think, I don’t know, that’s just that’s just my It’s just more of the same, right, And I don’t know why I have a problem with Sebastian doing it.

Whereas my friend Larry the Cable Guy Dan Whitney. You know, here’s a guy that if I called him right now, who do my podcast like, you know, yep? Do we hang out every day? No, But he’s a friend. He’s not somebody I know.

He’s a friend. And I’ve been backstage talking to Dan Whitney.

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And then he slips into the Larry character, who speaks a little differently a…

And I think we all understand the Larry the Cable Guy character. First of all, it’s called Larry the Cable Guy. It’s not ladies and gentlemen Dan Whitney going up and doing that material. It’s it’s something called Larry the Cable Guy that doesn’t wear sleeves. And I don’t know if it’s because Sebastian Meniscalco has evolved from being Sebastian Maniscalco Italian American comic to Sebastian the Italian Guy.

Maybe it’s that right, Maybe it’s that mm hm. It’s gonna be interesting to see what Gervas’s special does to the list. Ricky knows what he’s doing. He’s trying to trigger people. He successfully triggers people that he doubles down that he triggered you, and it’s your fault that you’re triggered.

He understands what he’s doing. But he’s really good at I mean, Chappelle’s doing the same thing, and people just get really irate at Ricky Gervas’s specials. But they’re pretty funny and I can sit on the couch and understand what I’m watching, right Like, I get what he’s doing there. He’s gonna make some points and he’s gonna push some buttons along the way and hopefully we have a laugh, and we go home, and then he goes and donates two million dollars to the animal charity. So, you know, much like Jay Leno.

I’m not sure Ricky Gervas is the worst person who ever lived. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, and that’s your daily coming for today again, check out the Letterman podcast. Mike is the host, a really good guy. I always enjoyed chatting with him.

And I’ll see you tomorrow.