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The Shark Deck something a little different today. Hi, I’m Johnny Mack with your Daily Comedy News. Today is a forty minute interview with Jackie the Jokeman Martling why he’s got that new documentary. It’s called joke Man. It’s out on July eighteenth, And I reached out to Jackie and he got back to me within ninety seconds.
It said yeah, sure, I’ll do it, So we did it here. I could have talked to him forever. I had so many questions left over. He’s such a good guy. Even before I could send him to thank you email, he had reached out to me in text and thanked me.
I hope to have him on again because there’s so much I didn’t get to. So I’m gonna jump right in here. I will warn you it’s a little naughtier than usual. Some of the language, some of the topics, a little naughtier than usual. So if you usually listen to Daily Comedy News with your five year old, maybe not today.
Nothing too bad, but not today. Joke Man out July eighteenth on Apple, iTunes and Amazon. Go to jokemanmovie dot com for the latest information jokemanmovie dot com. Here’s my interview with Jackie to joke man Martling. When you agreed to do this, I’m like, you know, I’m not gonna be like, hey, tell me about the show.
What else can I ask him about? I started thinking about your music. I gotta tell you, I’m not just feeding your line. That thinking about you song. Even before I watched the doc, I remember it that existed.
I’ve been walking around for five six days humming that. I was doing the yard work this morning, and I’m like Dunn and then and then that thing is canchy. Why did you do a clean version and give it to like Jimmy Buffett. It is. It’s just such a wonderful thing, the way it came about and everything.
Actually for the kid’s version called Saturday. But I’ve been meanning to go in and record it because instead of I’m a smoke because you can say you’re smoking pot. Now sure you know what I mean, So I can say I’m smoking pot, I’ve got my cocktail, which is which is perfect. But then the song just goes so far into the rabbit hole. But it doesn’t have to.
Oh, it could just be silly things, you know. I’m on the lawn, pick up my nose. I’m thinking about you. It doesn’t have me dirty. Yeah, So we’ll take your compliment and I will take it to the bank.
That’s what I was trying to get a songwriter’s credit. I was thinking, I’ve got my phone out, so when you get the Grammy, I get a piece. There you go. That song was up for an avy And Award. My buddy Eric Middleman was editing a porn film for this very good friend of his.
Her husband edited all the cartoons and pictures for Hustler magazine for twenty five years and he passed away and left her a lot of money and her one desire. Erica McClaine was the direct a porn movie, and she directed a porn movie called Pink Pigs or whatever it was, and he was editing it and I went out to visit him and he said, I’m editing this Eric’s porn movie and I’m running the credits. Can I run your song on the credits? And like, of course, so we put her on there and the thing gets nominated for an av En Award. And I find out that the guy who was in charge of that is what’s his name’s brother either Richie Kannada or the other.
One of the members of the Billy Joel bar and I said, that’s so great, and then we went out to the awards show. It turns out it was one of seventeen nominations and it’s one of those awards that they don’t give at the awards show. It’s like a technical award in that genre. So they gave out the award in the afternoon. Of course it didn’t win, but it was Yeah.
I got the guy’s names. They’s such a good friend. It was his brother. I said, I can’t believe he used my song. He said, Jackie, I heard that song.
I put it in. I had no idea it was written by you. He said, I just liked the song so much, which is very flattering. Well, of course it didn’t win, but being nominated for an AVM Award and nobody has to know the detail. So I found myself.
That’s the Adult Video News if I’m remembering AVN Awards. I found myself in Vegas at those awards one year. But serious, they got you doing all kinds of things. We’re out there, we’re broadcasting it, and we had a big round table and everybody’s getting up there and it’s the nominees for whatever disgusting combination you want to come on. Unbelievable.
The titles of the movies had all those great puns take a real movie and make it dirty. They’re getting up there, they’re taking it seriously. So anyway, they give us a gift and I go back to the hotel room and I open it up and it’s a glass fallast. I’m trying to keep it clean, and I’m like, and I’m like, what am I gonna do with this thing? I’m like, I’m not bringing it home.
I’m not bringing it on the plane. There’s a very obvious answer to that. I went to Ours Awards a couple of times, and of course all those porn fans are you Howard Stern fans? And I was with I don’t know, one of the a couple of our higher ups. And because it was started when it was a pamphlets, when the AVN News, the Adult Video News was a pamphlet, they came on The Stern Show like nineteen eighty six and Howard made fun of pull what’s his name, because you’re an idiot.
You’re an idiot. And five years later he’s a multi zillionaire with this huge award show. But we’re walking down and the red carpet wound all the way around the Venetian. It was huge, and the fans were like six or eight deep the whole length. I’m like, now these I thought Stern show fans would these people?
And of course they all know I wasn’t a Jaggie. That was the amazing thing was we went in and the awards are interminable. It must have been four hours. I want to thank Mother and Jesus for this triple at no like crazy, And when we left, those people were all still there. When we walked back down the red carpet, I’m like, now that is some fans.
Holy mackel, I like that packed some punch. Those Avian Award full red carpet. The year I went, the house band was smash Mouth, actual smash mouth, Like they’re not messing around. No, if Paul Fish bind, Paul fishbind. He just it was red hot, so long I got it.
He’s probably still red hot. I won a couple of years. Oh it’s so funny because there was this really pretty girl. My friend Toby Ludwig came with me and we’re looking around and we found out we weren’t going to be far of the awards. If we win, we’re not even going to know it.
And so we’re staying around though, with all the stars or whatever. Kimperton and I start talking to this girls. She’s so cute and I had somebody to take my picture with her with the iPhone, but I don’t know from porn. And I go home and I show it to Ian, my partner on Jackie’s jok On. I’m serious.
I said, look at this pretty girl I met at the awards. He goes, are you a kid? He said, that’s the world’s most famous squirter. I’m like, how would you know that? How the hell would you know that?
Oh? I can’t. I can’t think that’s dirty, because if you know what that is, that’s your own fault. It could be a water pistol. That doesn’t mean somebody’s the world’s second most famous.
Well, I just wanted to talk to you about music and the Porn Awards. It makes your time, and all right, that’s all right, all right to this documentary. I saw it. It’s amazing. Now you’ve been working on this for a while because both Norman Gilbert are in it.
What’s the origin of this, and so I do this podcast and so left serious. I’ve been doing this particular podcast four years now, and every day I Google comedy and I’ve got news alerts. I hadn’t seen a thing about this till you actually announced it. That’s neither here nor there. But how long has this been going on?
For a long time? When it first got off the show, there’s a couple of people interested in doing it, and then they fell to the wayside, and then some other people were doing it, and my friend Tom did a weird version of it, but it wasn’t really documentary. It was like almost like an episode to what could have been a longer show. And I think it was really it was the greatest twenty minutes in the world, but I don’t know what four And then these other guys started it, and then Ian s and he said, this isn’t it because the whole thrust of what they were doing was all about Jackie, how big he was and how great he was.
And then like an idiot, he walked away from the Stern Show and he said, that’…
He said, that’s one of his stories, and he wanted to make it about jokes and how that’s what I do. And of course the reason people know me is from the Stern Show, and that’s what got me rich and famous in quotes, of course, But it wasn’t my life’s flood and he started working on it. But it just takes a long time to take people and find them and track them down.
And then and then the pandemic, of course, throw a monkey wrench into everyth…
And then Netflix showed some interest. They weren’t going to buy it, but they’re going to put it on Netflix, which is a big deal.
And then, of course, just when they were thinking about doing it, I don’t kno…
If that doesn’t tell the tale of my career. But the funniest story is that already Lying agreed and he wanted to be in it, and he just couldn’t match up with him.
And then already wound up in the hospital and wound up in jail, and wound up …
But it took so long to do the documentary that he was cleaned up and out and back in good shape. So we even could go and interview, which is a happy accident, and he’s one of the best things in the documentary, so I love him for that. And it just took It just has taken a real long time, and then getting a distributor, and then even once you have a distributor, it’s another six months. I’m like, Ian, I only have one request. Can we please put this out before I die.
I’m no kid, I’m fifty three years old. I haven’t got that much time left fifty three. I’m fifty three and I listen to you when I was ten, so I’m all right, put your hands away. Hilarious. Scott just thrilled.
It’s coming out July eighteen, and I’m very excited and just got a link for the pre order and the interest is so great. It’s so funny, John, because I left that show so long ago, Like, and I just got a couple today. I got an email from a guy in England and he said, Hey, it’s great to hear about you and your documentary. I’m from England and I’m forty years old and I discovered the Howard Stern Show about ten years ago. For years in the nineties with you on them are my absolute favorite.
I can’t wait to see the documentary, and you know a lot of people that are weren’t even around when I was on the show. They find out about the show, and then they go back and look at the shows from the nineties and they’re so complimentary, which is great because it’s not just the seventy five year olds that we’re listening in nineteen you know, and all the people that listen back then night they all left jobs now, you know, in the nineteen ninety two they were driving peaks of delivery charts. Now they own businesses, say they don’t have to sneeze when it comes to, you know, buying a movie or chipping in for this or that, and people are the most common thing people say to me is I owe you. You made me laugh in my roughness of times. You got me through my divorce, you got me through a tough job, you got me through college, and thank you for all the laughs.
I’m like, all the thanks. That’s all I need is the thanks. They say, Oh, my favorite is it. You must get tired of hearing this, but thanks for all the last I said, if you if I ever get tired of hearing that put a bullet in my head. I will never get tired of hearing.
That’s the nicest thing you could say. Those years were so good. I’m a powerless I happen to be listening to NBC when Howard took over afternoon for the New York run. I was there. I’m a high schooler, I’m commuting.
I’ll give you my hot take, and then I’ll give you probably the answer in my heart. The answer my heart is, I think the peak years and you talk about it in the dock, are that range where the puppets were around And maybe it peaked with the recreation of the al Michael’s bob a booy call. You know, maybe that stretched there with Billy in it. But my hot take, and I’m gonna blame you, I think the show peaked five seconds before bab a booy I think it was funnier when Garry would walk in and Fred would hit that Italian theme one percent of the time, all the time, every time, and I missed it. What you’re saying is the bab a Booye took the work, took the creativity out of breaking Gary’s bulls.
It was always like a look at Gary’s ass, or you look at those teeth and it just became Bubba Buoye and it was like a short cut to the laugh. But I don’t agree that that’s that might have been where it peeped, but it stayed in the plateau, I’d say, for like eighty seven to all the way till when I left. It just felt like it got hotter and hotter, or at least in my mind, because we just kept adding stations and all the gigs I did, and my price just went up and up, and I was turning stuff down and it just was so much fun. I didn’t leave because I was unhappy. I left because I thought it was gonna die if you work all day, all week, getting up at four thirty in the morning for five days, and all of a sudden, it’s Friday and it’s time to go rest and they’re waving what was to me stupid money to come to Denver or come to Dallas or come to Chicago.
I could I work too many jobs for one hundred three hundred bucks to turn down that crazy money. So I’d get on the plane, I’d go to the show Friday and Saturday and god knows where, and then fly home and start again on Monday morning. And ragged is not the proper word, but it was a happy rag. It was like it was fantastic, And once I sat in that chair and had a couple of coffee, yard was good to go. Five hours Boo Pal, funny Pal.
Of course, on the drive home the caffeine or and I walk in and the first person I’d see when I walked into my house, I’d bite him, whether it was the cat or the door of my wire. I produced John Gambling Show in the early nineties, So first of all, I’m producing him thinking three minutes ago, I was listening to you guys making fun of him. But but the hours just it kills you. You’re constantly tired. I’m in my early twenties.
My friends want to hang out by one in the morning on a Friday night when it should be peak party, and I’m ready to kill somebody to split a cab and go home to bed.
And then it’s suddenly it’s Sunday and three in the afternoon.
You’re like, oh, I gotta start going to bed already. It’s awful, John. I do the show all week. Then we got a TV show, so we have another whole show to come up with, and then I’m flying to God knows where to do a gig. But of course if I show up in Chicago and go out and do a gig at the Chicago Theater with the old VIC, it’s so much fun with that radio station.
They’re paying me a fortune, but they want some bang for their buck. So I didn’t have a choice but to go out and party with them at the strip club or at the party, or I mean at the bar. And it was great fun. But you talk about using toothpicks to keep your eyes open, you know, his naked girls running around and endless spools and everybody wants to jump on your lap, and like you’re saying, I’m looking to see if there’s a play a dark corner where I could down. But it was great, and people like, how dare you complained about that?
I’m not complaining, but I’m really setting the center real for what it was really like. It was so great, so great, Now, why didn’t you jump on another show? Is it just you were at the peak of the mountains. I was never asked. And it’s so funny because everybody listened to a Stern show and they all loved the Stern Show and thought it was so funny and so many people knew how much I had to do with making Howard funny.
I got no offers from anyone. The one offer I got was from Anti Comedy. I wanted to give me maybe a show, but I forget how long you after It was a while after that just there was no interest. Now whether Don buckwelled, Howard’s agent had told the world that I was impossible. They always talked about on the air how hard it was to work with me was on how nobody liked me, and me while I was the favorite with all the sales girls and all the sales people a minute.
Yeah, when I walked into their office, they all loved it was They’re always laughing and having fun. But Howard made it sound like I was a real dick on which I absolutely not and wasn’t. But you still I’ve never asked, I was never asked. You stole my next question that I did want to ask you if you thought that perception of the Jackie character had led over to real life, Because you know, I know everybody loves it in the dark. People love you in real life.
ILL love you. This audience should know. I emailed you. You got back to me in ninety seconds. I’m nothing to you.
You’re just you’re doing me a favor. Here, nicest work. I lived for this, and I don’t understand it, because you’d think even just to have me in the room. If you’ve got a writer’s room with eight guys work and just have me, they’re breaking balls. I sat in one writer’s you.
That’s when we sat around reading the reading the script the Private Parts, and my one head lived that day. Wound up being the funniest line in the movie. The sloppy pussy line was the funniest line in the stupid Private Parts movie. And that was just something I threw in at the table read because it was so boring. So I just said that, and everybody cracked up.
There’s a whole story, and then I wound up. I didn’t even use it in the movie because they had nobody said anything.
And then they said cut, and the guy came over and literally whispered in my e…
Why don’t you try that line? It’s like, all right, but god fulfid me say it out loud so as somebody to have any idea. It was my idea and wound up being killer sitting around at the table with guys that are writing a sitcom or a movie. You only have to contribute two or three things like that that may get worth people’s wild have you sitting there? But I never got asked, and I don’t know why.
I really don’t. It’s weird because even if you were a pain in the neck, which you are not, we both know talent wins out like he’s a pain, but he’s killing We got the number one show with deal with them. It’s not like that doesn’t go on. Well. Everybody knows that you put up with anything to get a couple extra laffs or a great idea.
But that’s one of the great quizzes. People say, why didn’t you have something lined up? I said, number one. I didn’t have any attention on leaving because I didn’t ask for so much money. I thought it would stop them in their tracks, like you know, well new But I wasn’t out looking for the next place to get up at four o’clock in the morning.
I’ll tell you that, God forbid, I hadn’t been offered that, thank God. But that’s all interesting in the way it works out. I left my job, got divorced, quit drinking and moved into a house all by myself on the water, all four at the same time. And they say, if you do any one of them, you shouldn’t change anything else in your life because it’s going to be such an adjustment. So I’ll tell you a little bit of a little roof.
For a while, it was a Frockney road. Are you make doing you get through? It’s just been wonderful? All right? Thanks for the segue there.
You just dropped into Rodney. I had no idea that you worked with him. I learned it from the dock. What was that guy like? So that’s a guy that had success pretty late in life, and from what I’m gathering, got the success and enjoyed it to its fullest.
Is that what I’m getting. Yeah, he didn’t ride away. I got to send you my book. If you haven’t read my book, you will love my book. The whole story about how I met Rodney and how I wound up with them is one of the best things in the book.
And we got hooked up and I went away with him for two weeks in nineteen eighty And to this day when I’m talking about it, I still think of things that I forgot happened. It was spectacular and we just had such a good time. It was a week in Fort Lauderdale. He wasn’t even working. He was just down there on vacation with his daughter and her girlfriend.
And then his son showed up, and then we flew to Las Vegas and the headline for a week with Paul Williams at the Aladdin, and it was just storybook, storybook. It’s nineteen eighty. I’ve been doing comedy for a year. It was, but I sold him what he said was the best best show. Can’t even never gave me, you know, of course, I look, it was just I will email you that chapter, especial.
I’ll email you a couple of Rodney chapters because all the Rodney’s stories are just so fun they’re all true. And he wasn’t necessarily that funny, just his attitude. When I first went to pick him up to take his doughter to the airport, I said to him, listen, boys, you got to understand every time you open your mouth, I’m gonna laugh because it’s funny whatever, whatever you know, And that’s all it takes. You know, you get that characters like everything is so down trodden, and blah blah blah.
And then when I was with him, he had just done Caddyshack, but it wasn’t out …
But he was at the point where he was starting to get really well known. Because I don’t know if you’re all enough to remember, but he was in these middle light commercials with every sports star, baseball players, basketball players, fighters, football players, they were all in the middle light commercials and Rodney. It was whatever athletes and Rodney, and they played him every five seconds, and he said, hiked him. Believe it. You know how you said to Mark, you know or I’m a Carson.
Nobody knew me. Now it’s like, hey, Ron, they don’t know me. And all of a sudden, he’s feeling like it’s coming on strong and he literally I sweated. God. He said to me, yeah, it’s a little late.
What am I gonna do? Him fifty eight years old? Where I got two years left? I said, what’s wrong with you? I said, no, there’s nobody in better health than you two years left.
You’re an idiot. I would yell at him. We oh, he said well, what do you know Gray, fun performance style? You laugh at your own jokes. Can you walk me through the performance aspect of that?
Why are you doing it? What is it for the audience? There is no performance, There is no there’s no calculation to that. If there is a calculation to that, it’s something that just wound up being so part of me forever. I was always the guy at the bar or the party telling jokes, and I’ve always thought the jokes are so funny, and I really jokes I told a thousand times.
I still think they’re funny and they make me giggle, and sometimes I’m thinking about who told me. But when I worked at a country club here on Long Island, the Piping Rock Club, the most blue blood club in the world, there was a Dutch salad man named Jake, and I was the headbust boy. So I did nothing except yell at the other guys to get to work. And I would stand there and tell this guy Jake to joke after joke, and he would stand there like a wooden Indian. If I’m allowed to say that, he would just stand there and maybe smile, and I would.
The more he didn’t laugh, the harder I laugh. Because I’m going back and trying to figure out where the whole thing emanated from the genesis. And I would always laugh.
And then when I told jokes at the bar, I was usually half sauce and I’d laugh…
But it wasn’t like, let me laugh at my jokes and maybe that’ll help. It had nothing to do with it. I laughed at him because they were funny. In the very beginning, when I’d only been doing comedy, I always told jokes in my bands. But I’m doing comedy and telling jokes and laughing at myself.
So we’re down at the comic ship of Fort Lauderdale. It’s funny. I just had this guy, Bill McCarty on our podcast this week, and I was at Bill McCarty and Mike Brown’s like three or four or five comics, and we’re so long ago that there was actually a television in the comedy condo those days. There hadn’t been a television or a phone in a comedy condo for forty years. We’re watching TV and it was like Red skelton seventy fifth birthday show.
And I used to sit there and watch Red Skelton with my mother, and she used to watch me laugh at Red Skelton because I got such a kick out of him. And we’re sitting there and he’s standing at the microphone and he’s telling jokes and he’s waggling his arms and he’s laughing, having a time of his life. I can still remember Bill McCarty turned. He said, Martlin, that’s you, I said, but not consciously. He does.
I do it the way he doesn’t. He does it the way I never looked at Red Skelton said, hey, that looks like and if you laugh at yourself. No, it’s just something I’ve always done. I’ve gotten in trouble with it. People that’s like such crap like Howard.
Howard would do anything to not let me get two out of control. So if somebody said, Jackie, tell this joke and tell that joke. I start to tell a joke, and I always start to giggle because it’s inherent to the way I performed the jokes. And I see, Robin, there’s the tell, there’s the tell, there’s the juice to get it, you know, like shut up, But this is the way I do it. I say, look at Rodney pulling on his tie.
I think that’s gonna help shut up. But it was always just so fun to just tell him be silly. But in the world of comedy, I don’t I call myself a joke teller. I’m not a stand up comedian and I’m really not. I’m not I started out doing that, but I said my family was rough and my father cheated a bay that you know, who cares about that crap?
And I just love the jokes. But in the world of stand up comedy, there are two iron clad rules, and they are you don’t tell old jokes. Well, oh, I hate the expression old jokes, because every joke is new until you hear it. Then it’s an old joke, which goes which pertains to every single person for every joke. If I tell you a joke and you haven’t heard it, it’s a new joke, and once you’ve heard it, it’s an old joke and people, if you think about it, of course that makes sense.
But in comedy stamp comedy, you don’t tell jokes and you don’t laugh at yourself. Those are the two ironclad rules of standom comedy. And that’s all I do is tell jokes of laugh at myself. They want to secure me. But I’m like, you know what, enough people come up to you and say, that’s the hardest I’ve left for an hour in my life.
That’s all I need. That’s all. I’m not trying to educate people or given anything. Well, people say you didn’t write that stuff, you didn’t write. I’m like, when you’ve got to see somebody do Hamlet, do you in the middle of the thing, you stand up and say you didn’t write this crap and they’re performing.
It’s a performance either they’re good editor, they at you. Just try to relax and enjoy it. Let’s sit back and laugh a little. I love the ratitatesat like I’m a big Bob Hope fan. I know everybody gives them garbage because of the last twenty five years, but you know, if you look at Hope in his prime getting up, I could listen to a sixty year old joke.
Hey, it’s great to be here at the Cleveland Air Base. You know, general jokes is so cheap. I get it. I don’t need to know where the general is. Ratitat and then hit mug for the camera and pull a laugh out of here.
It works. It’s good, Hey, Bob Hope is Woody Allen’s favorite comedian. And people first hear that, they’re like, that’s ridiculous. No, it’s not. The guy gets right to the joke and gets the lab.
Well, that’s the whole idea. People come up and tell me how a little old lady will come up and say, that’s the one of the show I ever saw that makes my week. Yeah, you talk about in the Dock about stripping the jokes back, and it got me thinking about I used to call it when I’d go to a million shows back in the serious days. I used to call it the comedy matrix. I remember sitting there one night.
It might have been pattent, it might have been possane, but I was sitting there with one of the hosts, and I felt like I could see the matrix. I’m like, all right, premise, he exaggerated it called back, and I’m like, it was like in grammar school when you’d graph a sentence. I could see the whole thing. So I appreciate I appreciate it. When you started talking about just stripping the joke down, let’s get in.
I don’t know what I said in the Doctor wanted anything I talk about in my book then that I hated. I wrote the Penthouse joke page for twenty years and they were great, and I used to put all my friend’s names in it. They always got a kick out of it. Instead of a guy went into a bar, Linnarbini walks into a bar. But the playboy jokes was so annoying because they’d say, the pretty young blonde sauntered into the bar and mose eat onto a bar stool and slowly took out a cigarette.
And I’m like, a girl walked into a bar. That’s all you need. Or maybe a girl walked into a bar because you need that, you know what I mean, Like, you just cut off all the garbage and get right to it. But so many people say to me, I can’t believe I’m out there laughing at a joke, and I’m in the middle of laughing at the joke, and I’m like, Jesus Christ, I’ve heard him till at five times they don’t even realize. But if they’re already laughing, it’s too late, right Yeah, Hop fine, that’s a compliment.
Hope would say, you know, I’ll do six jokes a minute, and maybe one of them a land that’s great. But which is fine? Hey, Nicky Merrill, nick and Nell only got to hit one out of every three time. Well that’s how it works. Jump in here with a quick break.
Joke Man on most platforms iTunes, Amazon, Where do you ever get your stuff? July eighteenth. More from my conversation with Jackie to joke Man Martling his documentary joke Man, It’s fantastic. I’ve seen it. You want to see it.
It’s on most platforms July eighteenth, twenty twenty three. Jokemanmovie dot com for more information. I want to ask you about some people. What was Sam Kinison really like? Sam Kinnison was a great guy.
He was really out of control. People get mad at me, but he in real life was not funny, not even a little bit funny, but a real nice guy. Couldn’t been sweeter. He knew what he was doing, and he was so good to me. You know.
He found out I was taking my wife to dinner and he made me take a couple hundred dollars he put in my pocket, wouldn’t take no for an answer, and he had me come open for him at Westbury Music Fair and he already had three opening acts. I was the fourth opening act, and that was the famous night when he got so screwed up in between shows that he walked around the circles and eighty percent of the people left and demanded their money back. But he just he couldn’t have been more fun because he was so out of control. One of the greatest moments on The Starn Show ever. We were sitting there six in the morning, the show had just started, and boomed through the door comes Sam Kennison, Pat McCormick, the Kiddie Show guy, what’s his name?
Jack Riley from The New Heart Show and The Kiddie Show, Chuck mccahn. Okay, so, Pat McCormick, Chuck McCann, Penn Jack Riley, and Kennison. He got done with a set or something at the comedy store or else he saw the guys said, he listen, is boring.
Let’s get to my jet.
Let’s go get with a certain show. And they just flew in his jet to New York and came pilot into the Starn Show drunk and stone and I’m sitting there next to friend and behind us, I got the Mount Rushmore a comedy. It was just it was so real. I have no idea if it was funny. But if you if you were in that room, like Fred and I are looked at each other.
The cross on the league, Now that’s that is the definition of wild. And he was so funny. He was a terrific guy. How’d you get hooked up with Willie Nelson? He’s my mom’s favorite world but it goes see him in August.
He is such a delight. I worked in recording study. I always like to tell the story because it’s interesting. I worked in a recording studio in the seven and these and a band named Zebra. Did you ever hear that?
Yeah, So Zebra did a lockout where they locked the studio for two weeks and so they could record their album. So they were the only clients for two weeks. It’s right at Thanksgiving time, so I brought Randy Jackson, the lead guitar player. I actually brought him holding to my house because I said, you’re not going to New Orleans for Thanksgiving? You coming to my house.
He came to my house Thanksgiving dinner, and we’re all really good friends.
And then that’s nineteen seventy six or something, so cut the Howard.
Many decades later, I get an email Jackie. This is Felix from Zebra. I don’t know if you remember me. And I wrote back and said, I spent two weeks up your buck. What do you mean do I remember you?
And he wrote back to you like country music, and I’m like, yeah, I like everything goes to listen my girlfriend it’s his wife. Now. My girlfriend is a massus and she does the Jets and the Giants and Woody Harrelson and Willie Nelson and Willie’s working tonight down at Webster Hall. To want to come see him, but we’re on the guest list, so I hadn’t seen this guy in twenty five or thirty years. I mean, n’t we have a beer like it was yesterday.
We go to see Willie at Webster Hall. On we’re upstairs. I don’t know if you know. The players men’s room is in the basement, so if you’ve got to take a leak, we’re talking about three flights upstairs. I’m already so loaded.
I didn’t know all the time it is, but Willie’s been going for a couple of hours and it doesn’t look like he’s ever going to stop. And I go down all those flights that take a leak, and I’m on my way back up, and I’m like, you know what, if I go back up there, I’m gonna wind up on the bus with Willie. I’m not gonna sleep or I’ll probably miss the show. I’ll get in so much trouble. And I made the call to blow off getting high with Willie Nelson and took the cab back to my apartment.
I wanted to kill myself. A couple of weeks later, Felix Phelix Hanniman, the bass player and keyboard places listen, We’re gonna try again. Willie’s at the Westbury Music Fair, and he really wants you to come. Because when Willie was on the show, I always got these guys addresses, and I had Grillo get me his address or his company, and I sent all my CDs and all my joke books and everything to his company. So they put him on the bus and Gator the bus drive.
They all loved all my jokes, so I was their friend already. So Willie wants us to come. So it’s me and my wife, Felix and his wife, Lisa, the masseuse, and two of the New York giants, and we’re walking around the catacombs of Westbury looking for a place to get stone and then the show is over. And Willie used to sign whatever. If there’s three hundred people outside his bus, he would sign stuff for everybody.
First he’d go to the bus, get a little stone, and relax a little. And we went out there and they looked out the bus store and said, Jackie, come on, you guys, Lisa, come on and me and Nancy and Lisa and Felix and these two giants I think they were in season, I remember. And we’re in Willie’s trailer is bus which is a minute. So I’m sitting at this little for Mike a table across Who’s to me a god And I said this is something you will believe this, but there’s a true story. I said, well, I got some great homegrown.
He said, let’s spark it up. So I took out a great big joint of homegrown and Willie start, I sweaty john on my mother. He starts looking for a match. And I said, Willie, I’m flabby, assid. You’ve been on this bus for fifty years and you’ve been smoking pot for seventy years, and you’re actually looking for match.
It was just I’m giggling, so all these little drawers like a rock and roll bust. I pull open a drawer and there’s a copy of my CD Hot Dogs and Doughnuts, and I’m telling you my heart leap. I was so excited. I took it out of the draw and it was still in the plastic at that time, and I said, Willie, this just went from being my favorite story to my least favorite story because I know I’m gonna always tell it. It’s always going to have this ending.
And then we got a man. Then we just smoked pot.
And then a couple of weeks later there was one of these things you probably k…
Sony was doing a thing where it’d be an artist and you could email an idea or calling an idea or send a letter and they would take requests. And it was one night it was Doctor John and Willie Nelson, and I knew the girls from Sony. And all of a sudden, it’s two or three weeks later and I’m in the bless again across from will He goes, what are you doing here? Again? Was I don’t know?
I guess I didn’t know people. And we’ve been very tight since, said now. We exchanged jokes by email, like every couple of weeks, I send the most disgusting jokes and I say, is that okay? I said that one, then they’ll send back one it’s even worse. And he’s just I was on stage with them at Radio City.
You know. It’s just a thrill to know the guy. Just a thrill to know the guy. That’s awesome. Thank you so much for your time.
We’re gonna get kicked off. Like I said, I’m cheap. I was like, I’m the forty minutes for I got five million more for you. The doc is fantastic. I love you.
I love you for saying that. And listen, why don’t we do this again when it’s actually when you can actually orderate or something like that. And listen, I’m here if you need me. Just let me know. Somebody Castle’s call out and take Jackie.
I got a spot. I’m always ready, Jock. You’re always good to me. I appreciate. I’ll take you up on that.
I got twenty questions I didn’t get to. But I love you, man. Thank you so much for doing this my pleasure. Thank you, and again I can’t thank him enough. You know, we crossed the halls.
It’s serious. And he’d come on the Raw Dog channel a bunch of times, so I know him a little bit, but we’re not like tight. He did me a favor here, and you can hear how much time he gave me. And seriously, I could have gone another hour with him. I had so many questions.
I wanted to ask him about Gilbert, and I wanted to ask him about David Brenner. You know, you may have noticed that I didn’t talk much. I studied Johnny Carson growing up, and the secrets to Carson was he knew when he had a good guest, shut up and let the guests tell stories. So me laughing over Jackie, you’re going uh huh, uh huh, just let the guy rip. You heard him, He told great story.
So that’s why I was kind of quiet. We were on Zoom, and you know, I was smiling and nodding, but I just kept my mouth shut. Don’t step on the jokes. Let the funny people be funny is one of the tricks of the trade. Jackie, Thank you so much again.
Everybody jokeman iTunes, Amazon, wherever you get your stuff. July eighteenth, it is out more information at jokemanmovie dot com. Now, one thing I didn’t talk about in the interview with him, he addresses it directly in the documentary is you do not see any of the people from the Howard Stern Show. Billy Weston already Lang up here, but no Howard, no Robin, no Fred, no Gary. It’s weird.
He addresses it during the show. I suspect everybody else was afraid to lose a well paying gig. And why Howard didn’t do it. You’d have to ask Howard. And that’s your comedy news for today, Jackie.
Thank you so much. Follow the show for free on Apple podcast, Spotify YouTube if you’re a drive by listener today because he saw Jackie was on welcome. This is an a typical one, but usually about ten minutes of comedy headline news every day. Thank you for listening. See tomorrow.
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